Purchased ART pipes From "rbatakji" but never recieved
08-21-2015, 12:42 PM
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Agree with trav your obligation is to refund his money and you deal with usps to get either your product or refund. Thats what insurance is for. Your obligation is to make sure the goods are delivered and signed for by recipient otherwise i side with buyer period. You cannot provide even a tracking number then in my eyes YOUR A SCAMMER.
08-21-2015, 01:36 PM
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Even a USPS receipt has a tracking # built in, you don't even have to ask for it.
08-21-2015, 05:20 PM
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Since I am a new member to the forums I wasn't able to create a thread til recently.
He claims he contacted usps and filed a lost report.
Yes we are both in CA. Unfortunately I did not ask the seller where he was located. And turns out he was only a friggin hour away... He knew where I was located though becuase of the shipping address i provided. I kick myself everyday for not asking.
Money was sent as gift via paypal. I was under the impression that a gift is reversible but turns out it is not. I have sent paypal payments as gifts 98% of the time with 0 issues. I never would have sent it via gift had i known this. Clearly my fault here, I should not have sent it as a gift otherwise I'd have my money back.
He claims he contacted usps and filed a lost report.
Yes we are both in CA. Unfortunately I did not ask the seller where he was located. And turns out he was only a friggin hour away... He knew where I was located though becuase of the shipping address i provided. I kick myself everyday for not asking.
Money was sent as gift via paypal. I was under the impression that a gift is reversible but turns out it is not. I have sent paypal payments as gifts 98% of the time with 0 issues. I never would have sent it via gift had i known this. Clearly my fault here, I should not have sent it as a gift otherwise I'd have my money back.
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08-21-2015, 05:42 PM
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I understand the whole argument about having tracking. Its not my first time selling something online, therefore I am aware that tracking will be on the receipt. Being that he paid as a gift, I didn't have anywhere to put in a tracking number online. Also him living so close I figured no big deal. Stupidly I didn't save the receipt after shipping (shipped at USPS in bel air grocery store). That was my only mistake there.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
08-21-2015, 05:54 PM
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I understand the whole argument about having tracking. Its not my first time selling something online, therefore I am aware that tracking will be on the receipt. Being that he paid as a gift, I didn't have anywhere to put in a tracking number online. Also him living so close I figured no big deal. Stupidly I didn't save the receipt after shipping (shipped at USPS in bel air grocery store). That was my only mistake there.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
Are you now saying you sent to wrong addy, or USPS delivered to wrong addy. Or option #3. You took his $ and never shipped it?
Simple as 1,2,3. Your turn.
08-21-2015, 06:50 PM
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Yes I understand I never should have sent as a gift. I tried to cheap out and avoid paying paypal fees. I learned my lesson. But simple fact of the matter is there is NO PROOF that anything was sent.
08-21-2015, 06:51 PM
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I understand the whole argument about having tracking. Its not my first time selling something online, therefore I am aware that tracking will be on the receipt. Being that he paid as a gift, I didn't have anywhere to put in a tracking number online. Also him living so close I figured no big deal. Stupidly I didn't save the receipt after shipping (shipped at USPS in bel air grocery store). That was my only mistake there.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
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08-21-2015, 07:00 PM
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And did I claim once in this thread that you scammed me? No. I just informed everyone not to conduct business with you so they don't have to go through what I did. That's it. Could you have sent the pipes? Yes absolutely. But we will never know at the end of the day without PROOF!
I dont know why i thought you had a decent trader rating. I must have mixed you up with another seller I purchased from.
I dont know why i thought you had a decent trader rating. I must have mixed you up with another seller I purchased from.
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08-21-2015, 07:25 PM
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I understand the whole argument about having tracking. Its not my first time selling something online, therefore I am aware that tracking will be on the receipt. Being that he paid as a gift, I didn't have anywhere to put in a tracking number online. Also him living so close I figured no big deal. Stupidly I didn't save the receipt after shipping (shipped at USPS in bel air grocery store). That was my only mistake there.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
08-21-2015, 10:26 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this thread, however i purchased a set of used ART pipes from a member of this forum 2 months ago and I never recieved them. He did not provide a tracking number. I have never purchased anything without a tracking number, which raises red flags. He claims that he has a good reputaion on this forum and has a decent trader rating. He claims It was sent via USPS standard shipping.
DO NOT do business with this person. He also failed to acknowledge he was at fault by not providing a tracking number. This is so incredibly frustrating. I understand there is nothing i can do at this point. 400$ down the tube.
DO NOT do business with this person. He also failed to acknowledge he was at fault by not providing a tracking number. This is so incredibly frustrating. I understand there is nothing i can do at this point. 400$ down the tube.
how did you pay him paypal? pay him with a credit card?
you should never SEND MONEY AS A GIFT unless the amount is super low like 10-20 bucks... - DUMB MOVE - ANYWAYS CONTACT YOUR CREDIT CARD AND FILE A CHARGEBACK.
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08-21-2015, 10:41 PM
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Yes I understand Justin100. Wrong move on my end, won't do it again, and will cost me nearly 400$ to learn my lesson unless the seller plans on doing anything about it which I highly doubt.
08-21-2015, 11:24 PM
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Seller out of good faith should make every attempt to justify the situation I had a situation in that I sold some rims on here I made a mistake of not packing the top rims properly they were sent on pallets by Fedex and the buyer received them scratched up,I made out a complaint to Fedex in the mean time I communicated with the buyer and offered him some money back just to say I was excepting some of the responsibility,he agreed and everybody was happy! Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet in order to do the right thing and in the end it always comes back to you in a positive!!
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08-22-2015, 01:02 AM
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Boy do I enjoy reading these threads. 
Sorry OP, as much as I'd like to sympathize with you, none of these threads would exist if people understood that gifting is never an option. The fact that you thought it was justified because you've done it many times before... 
There seems to be a contradiction between OP and seller's story, namely who suggested payment as gift. Until someone brings some hard evidence to the table (i.e. Chat log), it's your word against his, OP.
Sorry OP, as much as I'd like to sympathize with you, none of these threads would exist if people understood that gifting is never an option. The fact that you thought it was justified because you've done it many times before... There seems to be a contradiction between OP and seller's story, namely who suggested payment as gift. Until someone brings some hard evidence to the table (i.e. Chat log), it's your word against his, OP.
08-22-2015, 05:46 AM
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Boy do I enjoy reading these threads. Sorry OP, as much as I'd like to sympathize with you, none of these threads would exist if people understood that gifting is never an option. The fact that you thought it was justified because you've done it many times before...
There seems to be a contradiction between OP and seller's story, namely who suggested payment as gift. Until someone brings some hard evidence to the table (i.e. Chat log), it's your word against his, OP.
Sorry OP, as much as I'd like to sympathize with you, none of these threads would exist if people understood that gifting is never an option. The fact that you thought it was justified because you've done it many times before... There seems to be a contradiction between OP and seller's story, namely who suggested payment as gift. Until someone brings some hard evidence to the table (i.e. Chat log), it's your word against his, OP.
08-22-2015, 06:17 AM
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I understand the whole argument about having tracking. Its not my first time selling something online, therefore I am aware that tracking will be on the receipt. Being that he paid as a gift, I didn't have anywhere to put in a tracking number online. Also him living so close I figured no big deal. Stupidly I didn't save the receipt after shipping (shipped at USPS in bel air grocery store). That was my only mistake there.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
But quite honestly I feel like calling BS on this whole deal. Had he truly not received the pipes he could've easily filed for a chargeback on his card and got his money back. Him knowing that I can't input tracking when being paid as a gift may have received the pipes and is pretending nothing ever came in.
That is the reason for being hesitant on refunding. Then I'm out the pipes and money and he may be the receipt of both.
I just take a pic of the reciept with tracking to send the buyer when I sell something
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