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what is SynchroRev Match ????
is it different than normal 6 speed MT ?
It is a feature that automatically rev matches for you when you downshift... sounds fun on paper but I along with other hardcore MT fans might find it a little intrusive. I am definitely curious to try it out though.
It is a feature that automatically rev matches for you when you downshift... sounds fun on paper but I along with other hardcore MT fans might find it a little intrusive. I am definitely curious to try it out though.
They make it smaller yet weighs more then my 2003 350Z which is 3197 for the Enthusiast with M/T
+1, mind you I don't even like the looks of it anyway! Ajay Panchal's design on the 350Z is much better flowing, this one looks like a collage from the old 240Z+350Z whether the 350Z only hints at the old models, but stays unique
y being the owner of a modified '03 performance model. A 370Z, as nice as it may be, is not a future car I will be considering based on what I have seen so far.
+1 I'm still convinced my money is better spent FI'ing my 350
Thanks for the clarification. Just to be clear I completely agree with your sentiments as far as the supposed "weight savings," especially being the owner of a modified '03 performance model. A 370Z, as nice as it may be, is not a future car I will be considering based on what I have seen so far.
Yeap, as a standalone car it is not bad, and if in the market I would probably buy it, but as progression of the Z generations it doesn't deliver.
Just look at how they changed from the 1989 300ZX (Z31) to the 1990 300ZX (Z32), this is what I call improving the generations just look at the power and styling, when you look at this the 350Z to 370Z progression is weak.
Power
Z31 - 165 hp N/A and 205 hp Turbo
Z32 - 222 hp N/Z and 300 hp Twin Turbo
westpak I agree with you this is not as big of an upgrade as we would like, and the upgrade from Z31 to Z32 was huge, but this is more like an upgrade from the 240Z to 260Z, actually slightly bigger of an upgrade than that.
The problem I see is what will the price point be, it cannot increase to drastically or otherwise other cars will be taking the lead. If it stays right around its current price point, its a good car, if it goes into the low to mid 30s for the BASE model, then its a dud imo....
people are comparing it to the weight of the 03 350z, which had a engine that has roughly 43~ less HP and a worse torque curve..... Peak torque isn't as important as overall torque across the line, a lot of people fail to recognize that. They are also talking about how the 07+ had only 26 less HP, but it weighed more. It is like they are adding the sum of the two model years (03 and 07) together to get a car that compares to the 370Z...
The 03 350z also had a mediocre interior, I know, I have one.... The 06+ had better interior, but it does not look nearly as nice as the 370Z...
Last edited by 350ZREDLINE; 11-16-2008 at 07:35 AM.
westpak I agree with you this is not as big of an upgrade as we would like, and the upgrade from Z31 to Z32 was huge, but this is more like an upgrade from the 240Z to 260Z, actually slightly bigger of an upgrade than that.
The problem I see is what will the price point be, it cannot increase to drastically or otherwise other cars will be taking the lead. If it stays right around its current price point, its a good car, if it goes into the low to mid 30s for the BASE model, then its a dud imo....
Yeah 240Z to 280Z was not much difference but those were different times and different technology available, as technology progressed big changes happened as in the Z31 to Z32, I guess to me in the progression from Z33 to Z34 they failed in many ways, from weight to power to exterior design changes.
Don't get me wrong I am not knocking the car, I like it and will probably get one down the road, although the G37 looks pretty hot, but I am a Z nut as evidenced by my sig, I don't hate any Z just had higher expectations I guess
The Bridgestone Potenza's that come with the sport pack - P245/40R19 front & P275/35R19 rear tires are fat!
The 275 rears have to be widest stock tire Nissan has ever used on a stock car!
Can't wait to see the handling and braking numbers on this car with this fatter rubber. bigger brakes (on sport pack) and the revised double wishbone front suspension.
I have never owned a Z, but I will most likely buy the 370z. Absolute smash hit Nissan! All the haters are jealous. Sounds the same as when the G37 came out. Now all the G37 haters bought one, lol.
people are comparing it to the weight of the 03 350z, which had a engine that has roughly 43~ less HP and a worse torque curve..... Peak torque isn't as important as overall torque across the line, a lot of people fail to recognize that.
Have you seen a dyno of the new car's torque curve? How do you know it's better than that in the Z33, specifically those with a DE engine? That engine's torque curve was damn near flat.
how many features have been "borrowed" from aftermarket items for the 350? 3.69final drive, Z side indicators... looks like the designers/engineers keep an eye on the 350z forums
Have you seen a dyno of the new car's torque curve? How do you know it's better than that in the Z33, specifically those with a DE engine? That engine's torque curve was damn near flat.
And by flat, you mean damn near died after 6000 rpms? Even with the HR's greater emphasis on maintaining the torque curve after 6000, I doubt any one is going to confuse the upper range of the tach with that of a GT3 or a M3.
As great as midrange torque is for daily driving, for straight-line speed, its better to make torque at the top of the rev range vs. the mid or low end, hence why horsepower, measure of work being done, is a function of torque and revs. The new M3's 4.0L V8 is a good example. Hell, it must be a really crappy engine since it only makes 21 ft/lbs more torque than your DE out of a V8! But it maintains the torque very well, until 7500+ rpms and I don't think anyone would argue that the VQ35DE is a better motor. Peak torque alone is a very very poor indicator of performance.
Personally, I'm all for shifting the torque curve upward; its not like the Z is going to have difficulty moving in daily driving with 270 ft/lbs of torque pulling 3200 lbs. In fact, I wish they would have gone even further in their pursuit of better breathing up top, along with another couple hundred rpms of rev. range
In addition, please note that SAE's method of measuring power changed, and although its not completely possible to compare the two numbers, generally, the new system resulted in lower numbers (the Vette Z06 being a notable exception).
Oh and all you would have to do is look at a dyno of a G37 to get 95% of the idea of how it compares to a DE.
With all that said, I'm not blown away by the new 370z, but its worth test drive before making final judgments.
