GTR VS. ZR1
12-10-2008, 07:22 AM
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I know the history, but what do most of them run.. That is the important metric.
There is only 1 race that matters - heads up same day, same track. Everything else is bench racing numbers that should not be compared because of the variables of track condition and weather.
There is only 1 race that matters - heads up same day, same track. Everything else is bench racing numbers that should not be compared because of the variables of track condition and weather.
i'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue here...
12-10-2008, 07:28 AM
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i was merely pointing out your mistake. you said ONE guy got 10.8 with DRAG RADIALS... i said that guy got 10.9 with STOCK tires. if you wanna get into drag radials, there are a couple more people who were able to get into the 10s.
i'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue here...
i'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue here...
12-10-2008, 07:42 AM
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The GTR in most of the performance figures wasn't that far off of the ZR1. The 0-60 and 1/4 times were pretty darn close. I just can't get over how ugly the GT-R is however. Its just too well ... ugly. The ZR-1 wins hands down in the visual aspect. Plus, the corvette has a HUGELY impressive history of reliability in every aspect of the car. It's simply undeniable. In it's price range from $20,000 C5, a Z06 in C5 or C6 right up to the ZR-1 dollar for dollar used or new, there really isn't anything that can touch it's performance or reliability.
The only people who argue this or say they are stupid amercian cars are idiot fanbois who have no idea what they are talking about, sorry. There is a 2003 Z06 for $20k on cars.com. What other car for 20 grand is gonna beat that car in performance or reliability?
The only people who argue this or say they are stupid amercian cars are idiot fanbois who have no idea what they are talking about, sorry. There is a 2003 Z06 for $20k on cars.com. What other car for 20 grand is gonna beat that car in performance or reliability?
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12-10-2008, 07:49 AM
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The GTR in most of the performance figures wasn't that far off of the ZR1. The 0-60 and 1/4 times were pretty darn close. I just can't get over how ugly the GT-R is however. Its just too well ... ugly. The ZR-1 wins hands down in the visual aspect. Plus, the corvette has a HUGELY impressive history of reliability in every aspect of the car. It's simply undeniable. In it's price range from $20,000 C5, a Z06 in C5 or C6 right up to the ZR-1 dollar for dollar used or new, there really isn't anything that can touch it's performance or reliability.
The only people who argue this or say they are stupid amercian cars are idiot fanbois who have no idea what they are talking about, sorry.
The only people who argue this or say they are stupid amercian cars are idiot fanbois who have no idea what they are talking about, sorry.
There is a member here who's dad has a C5 Z06 and I believe he's getting rid of it because of the problems he's had with it. Not saying it's the norm but I wouldn't exactly say that they are problem free.
12-10-2008, 08:00 AM
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While I think the ZR1 is a bit over priced and gaudy, the Z06 is not too far behind it. It costs 70k and can easily keep up with a GTR. That's not my argument here though. I'm only stating how ugly the GTR is compared to the ZR1/Z06. The lines on the GTR are terrible. It's got sharp angles that make nothing flow on the car. The rear end looks fantastic, but that's about it.
Seriously......
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are you kidding??? think of it this way:
GT-R - we'll say this $80K car that looks exotic and that nothing on the road can emulate....has plenty of streetable power than anyone in the world would need or even use....anyone can brag about having a 1,000hp car but they can't even use close to half in real world driving..it's for dyno queens and bench racing!!..so would you pay $80k for the GT-R? probably so
ZR1- you're new gen CORVETTE with the very basic and repetitive CORVETTE look car is well over $100k...the only thing your paying for is the next best corvette, nothing exotic or rare about that...so you'd pay $100k for this even when you can not only get a better looking car, ie. porche, ferrari, lotus, etc..., that has the more of that rare supercar look to it that won't have a $20k, older, used version of it that anyone these days can drive??? plus with that price you could easily buy a faster car
GT-R - we'll say this $80K car that looks exotic and that nothing on the road can emulate....has plenty of streetable power than anyone in the world would need or even use....anyone can brag about having a 1,000hp car but they can't even use close to half in real world driving..it's for dyno queens and bench racing!!..so would you pay $80k for the GT-R? probably so
ZR1- you're new gen CORVETTE with the very basic and repetitive CORVETTE look car is well over $100k...the only thing your paying for is the next best corvette, nothing exotic or rare about that...so you'd pay $100k for this even when you can not only get a better looking car, ie. porche, ferrari, lotus, etc..., that has the more of that rare supercar look to it that won't have a $20k, older, used version of it that anyone these days can drive??? plus with that price you could easily buy a faster car
Seriously......
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12-10-2008, 08:01 AM
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I know the history, but what do most of them run.. That is the important metric.
There is only 1 race that matters - heads up same day, same track. Everything else is bench racing numbers that should not be compared because of the variables of track condition and weather.
There is only 1 race that matters - heads up same day, same track. Everything else is bench racing numbers that should not be compared because of the variables of track condition and weather.
12-10-2008, 08:02 AM
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I didn't like the way the GT-R looked at first, but it definitely grows on you. The styling is definitely bold and forces people into a love it or hate it response.
12-10-2008, 08:03 AM
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The GTR seems to match up well to the Z06 in performance and price; the ZR1 is in its own price range and not an equal comparison to the GTR......
I think a better comparison for the ZR1 would be the GTR SpecV whenever that gets released as the pricing should be much more comparable.
I think a better comparison for the ZR1 would be the GTR SpecV whenever that gets released as the pricing should be much more comparable.
12-10-2008, 08:06 AM
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The GTR seems to match up well to the Z06 in performance and price; the ZR1 is in its own price range and not an equal comparison to the GTR......
I think a better comparison for the ZR1 would be the GTR SpecV whenever that gets released as the pricing should be much more comparable.
I think a better comparison for the ZR1 would be the GTR SpecV whenever that gets released as the pricing should be much more comparable.
12-10-2008, 08:08 AM
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Personally I'd take the ACR over the ZR-1.
12-10-2008, 08:11 AM
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Yeah, I don't think there has been any real confirmation on the US price yet... but it will still have to be significantly cheaper than the speculated price to be anywhere near close to the performance/price ratio of the ZR-1 and ACR.
Personally I'd take the ACR over the ZR-1.
Personally I'd take the ACR over the ZR-1.
12-10-2008, 08:51 AM
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The GTR in most of the performance figures wasn't that far off of the ZR1. The 0-60 and 1/4 times were pretty darn close. I just can't get over how ugly the GT-R is however. Its just too well ... ugly. The ZR-1 wins hands down in the visual aspect. Plus, the corvette has a HUGELY impressive history of reliability in every aspect of the car. It's simply undeniable. In it's price range from $20,000 C5, a Z06 in C5 or C6 right up to the ZR-1 dollar for dollar used or new, there really isn't anything that can touch it's performance or reliability.
The only people who argue this or say they are stupid amercian cars are idiot fanbois who have no idea what they are talking about, sorry. There is a 2003 Z06 for $20k on cars.com. What other car for 20 grand is gonna beat that car in performance or reliability?
The only people who argue this or say they are stupid amercian cars are idiot fanbois who have no idea what they are talking about, sorry. There is a 2003 Z06 for $20k on cars.com. What other car for 20 grand is gonna beat that car in performance or reliability?
...not that I don't agree that at MSRP they are still a helluva deal. And the Z06 is still my dream atm.
12-10-2008, 12:14 PM
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While I think the ZR1 is a bit over priced and gaudy, the Z06 is not too far behind it. It costs 70k and can easily keep up with a GTR. That's not my argument here though. I'm only stating how ugly the GTR is compared to the ZR1/Z06. The lines on the GTR are terrible. It's got sharp angles that make nothing flow on the car. The rear end looks fantastic, but that's about it.
Seriously......
This
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or that
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While I think the ZR1 is a bit over priced and gaudy, the Z06 is not too far behind it. It costs 70k and can easily keep up with a GTR. That's not my argument here though. I'm only stating how ugly the GTR is compared to the ZR1/Z06. The lines on the GTR are terrible. It's got sharp angles that make nothing flow on the car. The rear end looks fantastic, but that's about it.
Seriously......
This
http://[IMG]http://i229.photobucket.....jpg[/IMG]
or that
http://[IMG]http://i229.photobucket.....jpg[/IMG]
Am I a little biased - yes of course. I could have had a Z06 or GT-R and I chose the better all around car.
12-10-2008, 12:40 PM
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It is funny, but I see it exactly the opposite. The vettes hood ends level or almost downward at the canopy only to angle up again. The overall look was fresh in 1998, but 11 years later from C5 to C6, the car is dated. I'm not going to rag on the interior quality of the Vette as I feel that is overstated these days, but it is night and day behind the GT-R.
Am I a little biased - yes of course. I could have had a Z06 or GT-R and I chose the better all around car.
Am I a little biased - yes of course. I could have had a Z06 or GT-R and I chose the better all around car.
The GTR is an aggressive, good looking car, but not beautiful.
and it's funny because any porsche, audi, VW, lexus, ferrari, maserati, merc, bmw owner would say the same about the GTR's interior. The GTR's interior is not worlds better either I would say... much larger though and at the price point there are much better.
12-10-2008, 12:49 PM
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lol, I think your bias is making you give bad arguments. the C6 Z06 vette is a beautiful car, it is undeniable. the bulging arched front fenders on the Z06 alone make me want to ***.
The GTR is an aggressive, good looking car, but not beautiful.
and it's funny because any porsche, audi, VW, lexus, ferrari, maserati, merc, bmw owner would say the same about the GTR's interior. The GTR's interior is not worlds better either I would say... much larger though and at the price point there are much better.
The GTR is an aggressive, good looking car, but not beautiful.
and it's funny because any porsche, audi, VW, lexus, ferrari, maserati, merc, bmw owner would say the same about the GTR's interior. The GTR's interior is not worlds better either I would say... much larger though and at the price point there are much better.
As to the other car owners giving their opinion on the GT-R interior, I think BMW has one of the worst interiors in the business - not talking quality of material - I'm talking about looks, features, and function. "Hello BMW, 1982 wants its interior back"
