UPRev in MA // Passing inspection
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UPRev in MA // Passing inspection
Has anyone with an UPRev tune in MA had an inspection done recently? I've been hearing from all over that I'm not going to pass - going to get kicked to a MAC, etc.
http://www.*******.com/tuning/55815-...ev-mass-3.html
Anyone pass in the last month or so with UPRev active in MA? Did you do it with stock map / with tune? What shop did you go to?
Mines up as of tomorrow and I'm not sure what to do. Don't want to get kicked into the MAC system or w/e and have to put it all back to stock.
http://www.*******.com/tuning/55815-...ev-mass-3.html
Anyone pass in the last month or so with UPRev active in MA? Did you do it with stock map / with tune? What shop did you go to?
Mines up as of tomorrow and I'm not sure what to do. Don't want to get kicked into the MAC system or w/e and have to put it all back to stock.
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I've passed with it fine previously (I have MD ART's, it doesn't throw any codes). The link I originally posted was from t-h-e-3-7-0. Apparently there was some change to the process in MA around Feb. of this year timeframe?
Some people that had passed before are getting kicked to MAC, speculation seems to be it's because the flash alters the ROM ID code or some such. I'm not really educated in the area, but apparently the issue is real enough that Dent Sport has a warning on their site and is only tuning UPRev per special request?
Maybe I'm being paranoid
Some people that had passed before are getting kicked to MAC, speculation seems to be it's because the flash alters the ROM ID code or some such. I'm not really educated in the area, but apparently the issue is real enough that Dent Sport has a warning on their site and is only tuning UPRev per special request?
Maybe I'm being paranoid
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This is what i have found: per mass.gov info
Learn more about vehicle emissions and their effects on our environment: visit the Air & Climate home page of the Department of Environmental Protection (MassDEP) website.
What is readiness?
A vehicle’s on-board diagnostics (OBD) computer monitors engine, transmission, fuel system, and emissions control performance. Up to eleven “readiness monitors” or software routines continuously or periodically check these major systems and components under specific operating conditions. If enough monitors have not completed their checks by the time an inspection station connects to a vehicle’s OBD system for an emissions test, the vehicle is “not ready” and will not pass its inspection or re-test.
To pass the emissions test:
Until the computer is “ready” for OBD emissions testing, the vehicle will fail its initial inspection or be turned away from a re-test. There may be nothing wrong with the vehicle; the computer simply needs to complete its checks. One week of combined highway and city driving is normally enough to reset the system and provide an accurate reading of vehicle performance.
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Motorist Assistance Centers
Massachusetts has established a network of Motorist Assistance Centers (MACs) to help vehicle owners and their repair technicians diagnose emissions problems with vehicles that fail their initial inspections. MACs are conveniently located across Massachusetts.
Your vehicle may be referred to a MAC if:
Motorist Assistance Center Locations and Map
BeverlyBourneBraintreeFall RiverFitchburgFraminghamHyde ParkMedfordPittsfieldShrewsburyTewksburyWest Springfield (Reopened at a New Location)
Learn more about vehicle emissions and their effects on our environment: visit the Air & Climate home page of the Department of Environmental Protection (MassDEP) website.
What is readiness?
A vehicle’s on-board diagnostics (OBD) computer monitors engine, transmission, fuel system, and emissions control performance. Up to eleven “readiness monitors” or software routines continuously or periodically check these major systems and components under specific operating conditions. If enough monitors have not completed their checks by the time an inspection station connects to a vehicle’s OBD system for an emissions test, the vehicle is “not ready” and will not pass its inspection or re-test.
To pass the emissions test:
- 2000 and older model year vehicles may have a maximum of two (2) “not ready” non-continuous monitors.
- 2001 and newer model year vehicles may have a maximum of one (1) “not ready” non-continuous monitor.
- If the vehicle failed the emissions test with a catalytic converter-related diagnostic trouble code, the vehicle’s catalyst monitor must be “ready” to pass the retest.
Until the computer is “ready” for OBD emissions testing, the vehicle will fail its initial inspection or be turned away from a re-test. There may be nothing wrong with the vehicle; the computer simply needs to complete its checks. One week of combined highway and city driving is normally enough to reset the system and provide an accurate reading of vehicle performance.
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Motorist Assistance Centers
Massachusetts has established a network of Motorist Assistance Centers (MACs) to help vehicle owners and their repair technicians diagnose emissions problems with vehicles that fail their initial inspections. MACs are conveniently located across Massachusetts.
Your vehicle may be referred to a MAC if:
- The emissions test analyzer identified something unusual in your inspection that should be verified before you spend money on repairs;
- Your vehicle is having repeated problems with readiness that indicate you may need additional assistance;
- Your vehicle has been selected for a program evaluation inspection; or
- You have a specialty vehicle, such as a kit car.
Motorist Assistance Center Locations and Map
BeverlyBourneBraintreeFall RiverFitchburgFraminghamHyde ParkMedfordPittsfieldShrewsburyTewksburyWest Springfield (Reopened at a New Location)
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I had my car inspected last Jan. Uprev tuned with HFC's and no CEL, full readiness. The garage doing the inspection thought it should have passed.
It didn't fail, but said the inspection couldn't continue and referred it to a MAC center.
Its a real problem, its been happening for a while in Mass with the Evo crowd, running re-flashed roms. If you do end up having to go to a MAC, I hear Medford is the easiest.
Traininvain, PM me if you have any more questions.
It didn't fail, but said the inspection couldn't continue and referred it to a MAC center.
Its a real problem, its been happening for a while in Mass with the Evo crowd, running re-flashed roms. If you do end up having to go to a MAC, I hear Medford is the easiest.
Traininvain, PM me if you have any more questions.
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Yeah, that mirrors what I'd been hearing. Going in tomorrow see what happens - I saw the big evo thread saying medford is the easiest. I guess no matter what I can't show up to the MAC with no cats though, so I'll be pissed if I get referred to one.
However with the ART pipes I didn't throw codes while on the stock ECU. So I might not even have to throw the cats back in. Maybe just get it flashed back to a stock nissan ROM and go in. Thinking about picking up a second ECU off ebay or some such to keep at stock.
Spoke to the guys at DSG today, said they weren't sure but they think the issue might be only on 03-06 and not on the HR's yet. I'd imagine it has to do with a database of valid ROM ID's - maybe they're only matching 03-06 codes and they don't have HR's in the mix yet? Who knows, all speculation.
UpAtSeven - would your car be 07-08 or 03-06?
However with the ART pipes I didn't throw codes while on the stock ECU. So I might not even have to throw the cats back in. Maybe just get it flashed back to a stock nissan ROM and go in. Thinking about picking up a second ECU off ebay or some such to keep at stock.
Spoke to the guys at DSG today, said they weren't sure but they think the issue might be only on 03-06 and not on the HR's yet. I'd imagine it has to do with a database of valid ROM ID's - maybe they're only matching 03-06 codes and they don't have HR's in the mix yet? Who knows, all speculation.
UpAtSeven - would your car be 07-08 or 03-06?
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is this just happening to uprev or all tuners across different platforms? According to Kaizen, they have had no issues. Uprev is supposedly throwing a fit at DSG for messing with their name. Not sure, a lot of drama going on. I was in the process of doing uprev until I read about this issue over on 370 forum.
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Yeah I saw all drama there. To be honest from what I saw it didn't seem like anyone was trying to slander anyone else (originally). Don't see why people can't just blame the state of MA for being lame and look into the situation in a polite manner. Pissing contests and finger pointing never fixed anything as far as I know.
Can't say I blame UPRev for not really diving into it though, I love their product but "some customers" in one Northeast state probably isn't that big of a deal for them. And there's no real technical evidence that I've seen - just some folks that got flagged for MAC. Does seem to be something going on though.
That being said, I'd want to make my customers aware too if I was DSG. They can only get some many people back being failed before it's an issue for them.
I didn't make it in yet for mine, hopefully doing it tomorrow. We'll see - maybe mine won't be an issue.
Love to hear from more people who're UPRev tuned in MA and inspected this year, just to get some more data points. No need to take sides on drama **** just wondering what peoples experiences have been. Thanks for the responses.
Can't say I blame UPRev for not really diving into it though, I love their product but "some customers" in one Northeast state probably isn't that big of a deal for them. And there's no real technical evidence that I've seen - just some folks that got flagged for MAC. Does seem to be something going on though.
That being said, I'd want to make my customers aware too if I was DSG. They can only get some many people back being failed before it's an issue for them.
I didn't make it in yet for mine, hopefully doing it tomorrow. We'll see - maybe mine won't be an issue.
Love to hear from more people who're UPRev tuned in MA and inspected this year, just to get some more data points. No need to take sides on drama **** just wondering what peoples experiences have been. Thanks for the responses.
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People still going to DSG??? They bolt SPC toe bolts onto my Camber arms! They use other people's map on an e-manager to show my friend that his car boosted 50HP... If I have money, I'd go to Kaizen. Or Ballistic tuning in NH - best price and Scott knows his sh*t.
Anyways, in the past as long as your CEL is not on you should be able to pass the inspection. Guys there are just read from the port and see if there is any error code. That said, I don't know about this year if there are any new rules. You guys should always go to one inspection station and build good relationships. Trust me, that helps a lot.
Anyways, in the past as long as your CEL is not on you should be able to pass the inspection. Guys there are just read from the port and see if there is any error code. That said, I don't know about this year if there are any new rules. You guys should always go to one inspection station and build good relationships. Trust me, that helps a lot.
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This could be an issue with if you have test pipes and do throw a code (P0420 and/or P0430) you can erase those codes through Uprev and the code will never be thrown. However, the readiness monitor for the Catalytic converter will show up as "Not supported" which all cars have to have that one. So that may be raising the red flag on some people. UpAtSevenFive (or anyone else who got sent to the MAC, can you confirm if your catalyst monitor is still there (either ready or not ready) or if your's says not supported?
The area of the ECU that Uprev modifies to provide fuel and timing, etc support is in the Nissan side of the ECU. When Uprev erases a code, it modifies the OBD side of the ecu. The state inspection machine only talks to the OBD side of things. All it can read are trouble codes (No CEL, no problem) and the readiness monitors (cat, evap, misfire, etc) along with pin 16 (battery) voltage, and engine RPM (could also raise a small red flag if the monitors are raising a flag too and RPM is too high)
I'm past due for my inspection since my car is missing a motor right now. I just heard about this from a guy a work with who has a Z. Would like to have this issue resolved before I need my inspection or before any more of us get sent to the MAC.
EDIT: I'm a state inspector and get updates when things change. As far as I know no rules changed. I'll confirm with a few other guys at work tomorrow and update here.
The area of the ECU that Uprev modifies to provide fuel and timing, etc support is in the Nissan side of the ECU. When Uprev erases a code, it modifies the OBD side of the ecu. The state inspection machine only talks to the OBD side of things. All it can read are trouble codes (No CEL, no problem) and the readiness monitors (cat, evap, misfire, etc) along with pin 16 (battery) voltage, and engine RPM (could also raise a small red flag if the monitors are raising a flag too and RPM is too high)
I'm past due for my inspection since my car is missing a motor right now. I just heard about this from a guy a work with who has a Z. Would like to have this issue resolved before I need my inspection or before any more of us get sent to the MAC.
EDIT: I'm a state inspector and get updates when things change. As far as I know no rules changed. I'll confirm with a few other guys at work tomorrow and update here.
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So I know I started this thread and didn't follow up - I ended up traveling for work for a few months and just got back.
So I brought the car 3 places - the first two refused to even inspect my car. First one said I had "broken the law" by tampering with my OBDII port. I have a simple extension that runs to my computer in the back, so I can run Touchscan on my carpc and things. As far as I know an OBDII extension is not against the law but this guy was a jackass.
Second place brought the car inside for about 2 minutes, then brought it out. Guy was straight and said basically he can't do it because he can smell the gas, etc. I have MD ART / TDXv2. It's kind of obvious there are no cats.
So I still have my July sticker, no rejection at this point. I'm pretty bummed, I don't know if I really want to do the work to put stock cats on, maybe even reflash. Third place I went inspected and gave me a sticker no questions / no issues - so the Osiris thing was not an issue for me, just have to find the right place I guess.
Anyway I have my sticker so
So I brought the car 3 places - the first two refused to even inspect my car. First one said I had "broken the law" by tampering with my OBDII port. I have a simple extension that runs to my computer in the back, so I can run Touchscan on my carpc and things. As far as I know an OBDII extension is not against the law but this guy was a jackass.
Second place brought the car inside for about 2 minutes, then brought it out. Guy was straight and said basically he can't do it because he can smell the gas, etc. I have MD ART / TDXv2. It's kind of obvious there are no cats.
So I still have my July sticker, no rejection at this point. I'm pretty bummed, I don't know if I really want to do the work to put stock cats on, maybe even reflash. Third place I went inspected and gave me a sticker no questions / no issues - so the Osiris thing was not an issue for me, just have to find the right place I guess.
Anyway I have my sticker so
Last edited by Traininvain; 10-05-2012 at 11:36 AM.