UNICHIP and the 350Z HUGE power gains
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UNICHIP and the 350Z HUGE power gains
Over the last 6 months APS has been testing Unichip tuning technology on the OZ spec 350Z and I can now report that the power gains are very worthwhile.
All of the dyno and in field testing has been in conjunction with other popular aftermarket mods............the latest example of a Unichip computer installation was on a Z car with a cat back exhaust system and the power/torque gains are significant and the throttle response in partial throttle conditions is much crisper.................a really noticeable difference across the entire RPM range.
I must say I am very impressed with the vast improvement of full throttle power and the engine is now much smoother than standard.
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All of the dyno and in field testing has been in conjunction with other popular aftermarket mods............the latest example of a Unichip computer installation was on a Z car with a cat back exhaust system and the power/torque gains are significant and the throttle response in partial throttle conditions is much crisper.................a really noticeable difference across the entire RPM range.
I must say I am very impressed with the vast improvement of full throttle power and the engine is now much smoother than standard.
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Dyno chart pls!?!
This post is tantamount to torture! We have a piggyback ECU and it makes great power but we won't say any more.... ahhhgggg!
C'mon Peter...details pls (ie.. price, dyno charts, details if you advance timing and what rpm, is this acheived with A/F settings only?).
This post is tantamount to torture! We have a piggyback ECU and it makes great power but we won't say any more.... ahhhgggg!
C'mon Peter...details pls (ie.. price, dyno charts, details if you advance timing and what rpm, is this acheived with A/F settings only?).
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I did have a slight problem with the Unichip I had on my Celica. At idle the revs would drop right down, the engine would shudder and almost stall while it was in Drive every few minutes and if the aircon was on it would do it every 10secs. I had to keep putting it into Neutral to prevent this.
Hopefully this wont happen on the Zed.
I did have a slight problem with the Unichip I had on my Celica. At idle the revs would drop right down, the engine would shudder and almost stall while it was in Drive every few minutes and if the aircon was on it would do it every 10secs. I had to keep putting it into Neutral to prevent this.
Hopefully this wont happen on the Zed.
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Originally posted by zuff
Dyno chart pls!?!
This post is tantamount to torture! We have a piggyback ECU and it makes great power but we won't say any more.... ahhhgggg!
C'mon Peter...details pls (ie.. price, dyno charts, details if you advance timing and what rpm, is this acheived with A/F settings only?).
Dyno chart pls!?!
This post is tantamount to torture! We have a piggyback ECU and it makes great power but we won't say any more.... ahhhgggg!
C'mon Peter...details pls (ie.. price, dyno charts, details if you advance timing and what rpm, is this acheived with A/F settings only?).
We won't release the Unichip product for the Z until we are 100% happy (this should be within the next 4 weeks if all goes to plan) with the feedback from the test cars and owners.............this is just a little bit of advanced product info to let you guys know we are hard at it and all is looking very positive in terms of good power increases and overall driveability.
The Unichip product can adjust air/fuel ratios and ignition timimg (advance or retard timing) across all rpm and load/throttle sites.
I don't have final pricing details yet though my best estimate would be approx $1290 installed and dyno tuned (custom mapping for each engine to suit owners mods) with before and after power graphs.I will definitely post power graphs of the Z cars I have with Unichips installed in the very near future.
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COOL... nice Peter! It is always good to hear some good news on the ECU for the zed!!!
I guess it is a lot more worth while to get the cats first, then go for the UniChip, else I will need to get the zed tuned twice....
cheers,
richie
I guess it is a lot more worth while to get the cats first, then go for the UniChip, else I will need to get the zed tuned twice....
cheers,
richie
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Originally posted by mchapman
Estimated price?
I did have a slight problem with the Unichip I had on my Celica. At idle the revs would drop right down, the engine would shudder and almost stall while it was in Drive every few minutes and if the aircon was on it would do it every 10secs. I had to keep putting it into Neutral to prevent this.
Hopefully this wont happen on the Zed.
Estimated price?
I did have a slight problem with the Unichip I had on my Celica. At idle the revs would drop right down, the engine would shudder and almost stall while it was in Drive every few minutes and if the aircon was on it would do it every 10secs. I had to keep putting it into Neutral to prevent this.
Hopefully this wont happen on the Zed.
Most Unichip problems that we see at APS (over 90%) are tuner related not product related, that said it's always possible that any product can have a small number of products which are defective in some way, this should not occur though unfortunatly it does from time to time.
This is the reason why we test a number of UNICHIP Z cars prior to product release to ensure the product is 100% glitch free.
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Is this all Sydney based Peter? Is/will there be a Melbourne based distributor and someone capable of installing & tuning the chip down in Melbourne?
I don't deal with Nissan for servicing anymore and my current mechanic is an ex-Nissan performance vehicle engineer very experienced with modded and HiPerf vehicles. Is maintaining a vehicle with this chip installed within the scope of that sort of person or is it a specialised service?
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Jim
I don't deal with Nissan for servicing anymore and my current mechanic is an ex-Nissan performance vehicle engineer very experienced with modded and HiPerf vehicles. Is maintaining a vehicle with this chip installed within the scope of that sort of person or is it a specialised service?
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Jim
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Originally posted by Loco350Z
not to sound to new, but why is this better than getting a reflah from technosquare with a lot less damage to your wallet?
not to sound to new, but why is this better than getting a reflah from technosquare with a lot less damage to your wallet?
The ultimate state of engine tune can only be achieved by custom tuning (mapping air/fuel ratios and ignition timing) the engine to ensure the best possible power,torque,fuel efficiency, and engine response under all rpm and throttle conditions for the fuel type and octane rating.
No 2 production engines are identical, and if fuel pressure alters slightly from engine to engine the fuel maps will need to be different (remapped) to ensure optimum power and fuel efficiency for the engine in question.
Then you need to take into account all of the different combinations of mods customers can have on the car, it's impossible to get a good/perfect state of engine tune with a different combination of mods (and fuel octane) which is unknown to the tuner. Reflashing the computer is a little like russian roulette in my opinion.
The real answer is to this question is how well do you want your engine tuned, if you want maximum power and torque and the best engine response combined with excellent fuel efficiency then real time dyno tuning is the only method to achieve this result.
We are so lucky in Australia to have many true load based dyno's so engines can be tuned/mapped correctly (this can't be done on inertia type dyno's common in the states) and the general knowledge of computer tuning in Australia is much higher than most countries on the planet.
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Originally posted by Z350Lover
COOL... nice Peter! It is always good to hear some good news on the ECU for the zed!!!
I guess it is a lot more worth while to get the cats first, then go for the UniChip, else I will need to get the zed tuned twice....
cheers,
richie
COOL... nice Peter! It is always good to hear some good news on the ECU for the zed!!!
I guess it is a lot more worth while to get the cats first, then go for the UniChip, else I will need to get the zed tuned twice....
cheers,
richie
That's for sure richie, it's always best to fit up the exhaust system, air cleaner,and any other mods before installing and tuning the Unichip computer if possible................this is the most cost effective method to achieve the best state of engine tune.
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Originally posted by sundog
Is this all Sydney based Peter? Is/will there be a Melbourne based distributor and someone capable of installing & tuning the chip down in Melbourne?
I don't deal with Nissan for servicing anymore and my current mechanic is an ex-Nissan performance vehicle engineer very experienced with modded and HiPerf vehicles. Is maintaining a vehicle with this chip installed within the scope of that sort of person or is it a specialised service?
Regards
Jim
Is this all Sydney based Peter? Is/will there be a Melbourne based distributor and someone capable of installing & tuning the chip down in Melbourne?
I don't deal with Nissan for servicing anymore and my current mechanic is an ex-Nissan performance vehicle engineer very experienced with modded and HiPerf vehicles. Is maintaining a vehicle with this chip installed within the scope of that sort of person or is it a specialised service?
Regards
Jim
Jim the car can be serviced by any competent workshop though the engine tuning should be left to a fully trained and experienced dyno tuning operation.
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I am a little confused about why the Unichip can't self tune....
The Z has the pre and post CAT o2 probes and it would seem for standard engines with no mods that a generic map should be ok when coupled with the standard inbuilt trim system. Where am I going wrong?
The Z has the pre and post CAT o2 probes and it would seem for standard engines with no mods that a generic map should be ok when coupled with the standard inbuilt trim system. Where am I going wrong?
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Originally posted by REDZED
I am a little confused about why the Unichip can't self tune....
The Z has the pre and post CAT o2 probes and it would seem for standard engines with no mods that a generic map should be ok when coupled with the standard inbuilt trim system. Where am I going wrong?
I am a little confused about why the Unichip can't self tune....
The Z has the pre and post CAT o2 probes and it would seem for standard engines with no mods that a generic map should be ok when coupled with the standard inbuilt trim system. Where am I going wrong?
The lambda (o2 sensors) sensors are only intended to trim air fuel mixtures whilst in closed operation (to hold air/fuel mixtures to lambda 1 whilst in cruise conditions) so what happens when you are using throttle positions outside of the closed loop area? The o2 sensors have no input to this condition, that is throttle positions outside of the closed loop area.
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He posted an addition 11kw if you already had the APS exhaust, which by itself gets 3kw more than the HiTech one and it has more power and torque all the way accross the dyno chart.
So if a HT can get 18kw + 3kw = 21kw + 11kw = Possible ~32rwkw
If you got both their cat back exhaust and the Unichip.
So if a HT can get 18kw + 3kw = 21kw + 11kw = Possible ~32rwkw
If you got both their cat back exhaust and the Unichip.