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Old 10-22-2009, 05:05 PM   #1
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:17 PM   #2
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wow really? So does that also mean BSP -> CSP?
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No Changes mentioned about Street Prepared
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Old 10-22-2009, 09:09 PM   #6
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I've read that the Boxster S listing is an error.
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Word is the S was a typo, should be moving to BS, not CS, only the base 986 will be in CS.
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Looking at the list, I'd think as usuall the RX8 will be a issue, boxsters too I'd think. I wonder how we'll do against well prepped and well driven Miata's?

Sure isn't 2003 where the S2000 was the biggest issue.
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Looking at the list, I'd think as usuall the RX8 will be a issue, boxsters too I'd think. I wonder how we'll do against well prepped and well driven Miata's?

Sure isn't 2003 where the S2000 was the biggest issue.
CS was all about the miata and solstice zok, so those will be the competitors, along with the rx8 and boxster as mentioned. Now at nats (even though CS ran at a different time) their times were slower then BS.

Goodluck to all, I'll be in the "New BS" next year!
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MS-R, Solstice ZOK, RX-8, 370Z, Boxster, maybe an odd 350Z.

It does open more possibilities for "best car" although PAX would say that the MS-R, ZOK, and possibly the Boxster would be the obvious choices.
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I've read through all the Fasttrack publications, but am still a little confused. I'm new to the SCCA and most of my Autocrossing has been with a non-SCCA club that uses a simplified classing system.

As I understand it, the cars that are currently in BS will be moved to CS, merging the cars that are currently in BS and CS into one CS class. I assumed then, a prepared Z would move from BSP to CSP but I'm hearing that isn't the case. That confuses me (but I'm easily confused).

The other question, is when are the new PAX indexes calculated and published? I'm trying to decide at this point whether to remove my plenum spacer to return to stock from Sports Prepared or to keep it and make a couple suspension changes allowed in Sports Prepared. It would be smarter to go back to BS (or CS now) where I was since based on this last years indexing, it meant that the BSP folks had to give me an average of 1.4 seconds.

Looking at the indexes for CS vs BS, and CSP vs BSP, I'm surprised that the C Stock cars have a higher handicap than the B Stock cars. I'm assuming this is due to some very fast Miata drivers?
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I've read through all the Fasttrack publications, but am still a little confused. I'm new to the SCCA and most of my Autocrossing has been with a non-SCCA club that uses a simplified classing system.

As I understand it, the cars that are currently in BS will be moved to CS, merging the cars that are currently in BS and CS into one CS class. I assumed then, a prepared Z would move from BSP to CSP but I'm hearing that isn't the case. That confuses me (but I'm easily confused).

The other question, is when are the new PAX indexes calculated and published? I'm trying to decide at this point whether to remove my plenum spacer to return to stock from Sports Prepared or to keep it and make a couple suspension changes allowed in Sports Prepared. It would be smarter to go back to BS (or CS now) where I was since based on this last years indexing, it meant that the BSP folks had to give me an average of 1.4 seconds.

Looking at the indexes for CS vs BS, and CSP vs BSP, I'm surprised that the C Stock cars have a higher handicap than the B Stock cars. I'm assuming this is due to some very fast Miata drivers?
PAX is an unofficial indexing system devised by Rick Ruth. We all accept it because its neat to say you beat a Corvette while running slower. Besides, no other handicapping system has been shown to be better. The 2010 numbers will be released at the end of December, maybe January. Should be interesting.

These class changes have made my decision much easier for 2010. Run in STR, get a real LSD and leave the tire trailer at home. A worst case scenario is to stay home also.
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PAX is an unofficial indexing system devised by Rick Ruth. We all accept it because its neat to say you beat a Corvette while running slower. Besides, no other handicapping system has been shown to be better. The 2010 numbers will be released at the end of December, maybe January. Should be interesting.
Thanks Mike. I'll check Rick's website at the end of the year and see what it looks like. Not having to run race tires is a real plus. Our local non-SCCA club has a street tire class that uses the PAX indexing.
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I've read through all the Fasttrack publications, but am still a little confused. I'm new to the SCCA and most of my Autocrossing has been with a non-SCCA club that uses a simplified classing system.

As I understand it, the cars that are currently in BS will be moved to CS, merging the cars that are currently in BS and CS into one CS class. I assumed then, a prepared Z would move from BSP to CSP but I'm hearing that isn't the case. That confuses me (but I'm easily confused).

The other question, is when are the new PAX indexes calculated and published? I'm trying to decide at this point whether to remove my plenum spacer to return to stock from Sports Prepared or to keep it and make a couple suspension changes allowed in Sports Prepared. It would be smarter to go back to BS (or CS now) where I was since based on this last years indexing, it meant that the BSP folks had to give me an average of 1.4 seconds.

Looking at the indexes for CS vs BS, and CSP vs BSP, I'm surprised that the C Stock cars have a higher handicap than the B Stock cars. I'm assuming this is due to some very fast Miata drivers?
Stock class placement has no relation to Street Prepared. You are reading to much into it, this change only effects stock.
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Thanks. I'll get my head around classing eventually.
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