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Old 10-22-2009, 08:41 AM   #1
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Default * just a little warning for the SSD crowd *

We have been discussing various ssd drives that are on the market today.

They all have flaws and some are faster than others.


The warning is this - ssd drives DIE !


Today I had 2 patriot torqx 128gb ( indilinx based ) in 2 different laptops die on the same day. I know this is a freak occurrence, since they were not installed on the same day and the usage was completely different between the two. one was mine, and the other was my friends. So totally different users.

I got very pissed, and stared to search and read newer reviews on newegg and such, and i found that a lot of people have the same problem !


I can not believe this ! I want the performance, but where is the promised reliability ? I know i will get the rma and they will send me a new drive(s) but how can i trust it now ?
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We have been discussing various ssd drives that are on the market today.

They all have flaws and some are faster than others.


The warning is this - ssd drives DIE !


Today I had 2 patriot torqx 128gb ( indilinx based ) in 2 different laptops die on the same day. I know this is a freak occurrence, since they were not installed on the same day and the usage was completely different between the two. one was mine, and the other was my friends. So totally different users.

I got very pissed, and stared to search and read newer reviews on newegg and such, and i found that a lot of people have the same problem !


I can not believe this ! I want the performance, but where is the promised reliability ? I know i will get the rma and they will send me a new drive(s) but how can i trust it now ?
And I've had the same thing happen with a normal HD too, not saying it doesn't suck but I don't think this is the norm. Anyone remember all the seagate data corruption issues with the 1/1.5TB about 6 months ago?

Honestly, I would only guy one SSD right now, and that's the intel one.
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yes, i know that you are recommending intel, but i also did a search "intel ssd died" and i get a few hits as well.

i have not experienced this kind of failure with regular HD drives, ever ! and most of the time, thanks to smart, i could / can recover before the complete crash. in this case with ssd - no warning at all !
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yes, i know that you are recommending intel, but i also did a search "intel ssd died" and i get a few hits as well.

i have not experienced this kind of failure with regular HD drives, ever ! and most of the time, thanks to smart, i could / can recover before the complete crash. in this case with ssd - no warning at all !
Well...in the 90s, Western Digital had entire containers containing thousands and thousands of drive die, with no warning at all. Then Hitachi (IBM back then) had the "deathstars" and Seagate had the Quantums which all sucked. It happens a lot more than you'd think.
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so you guys suggest that i install the replacements and give it another try ?
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We have been discussing various ssd drives that are on the market today.

They all have flaws and some are faster than others.


The warning is this - ssd drives DIE !


Today I had 2 patriot torqx 128gb ( indilinx based ) in 2 different laptops die on the same day. I know this is a freak occurrence, since they were not installed on the same day and the usage was completely different between the two. one was mine, and the other was my friends. So totally different users.

I got very pissed, and stared to search and read newer reviews on newegg and such, and i found that a lot of people have the same problem !


I can not believe this ! I want the performance, but where is the promised reliability ? I know i will get the rma and they will send me a new drive(s) but how can i trust it now ?
And I've had the same thing happen with a normal HD too, not saying it doesn't suck but I don't think this is the norm. Anyone remember all the seagate data corruption issues with the 1/1.5TB about 6 months ago?

Honestly, I would only guy one SSD right now, and that's the intel one.
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It's like deja vu all over again...
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so you guys suggest that i install the replacements and give it another try ?
Yea, try the replacements...My RMA % on the Patriot SSDs is pretty minuscule.
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i have not experienced this kind of failure with regular HD drives, ever ! and most of the time, thanks to smart, i could / can recover before the complete crash. in this case with ssd - no warning at all !
Ever? Really?

I've had maybe 10-15 drives die on me from personal use within the last couple of years alone. If there's one thing I could rely on, it's that one of my hard drives will die at least once a year. Hell I got one right now in my car that just gave me the Click Of Death two days ago after 4 good years of operation.

If you got stuff that's too important to lose (like important paperwork, work stuff, etc), then you should have at least one backup of your files (I suggest a zip-locked flash drive in a fire-proof safe). SSDs by design are a lot more "shock" proof than traditional drives, (will get one for my CarPC now) but you definitely shouldn't feel any safer with your data on an SSD, especially this early.
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i had one drive fail on me, i had a few that started to fail but i had enough time to backup or image them. i never had 2 brand new ones fail within a month.
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and crap, there are no moving parts ! something just burned out ! that is not normal. do you have ram chips , motherboards and other cards blow up on a regular basis ? what if i told you that i just had 2 cpus fry for no reason ? would that be normal ?
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What that 8 out of how many drives have failed? That's probably less than 3% of what they have shipped..
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and crap, there are no moving parts ! something just burned out ! that is not normal. do you have ram chips , motherboards and other cards blow up on a regular basis ? what if i told you that i just had 2 cpus fry for no reason ? would that be normal ?
I've been through 3 EVGA 680i motherboards all within a month of each purchase or RMA.. after the 3rd time I dumped it and picked up a Abit P35 pro.

It happens..
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What that 8 out of how many drives have failed? That's probably less than 3% of what they have shipped..
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you are basing your opinion on this from 8 drives of the thousands (probably 10's of thousands now) that they have shipped? That's a better rate than tons of computer parts on the market.

I've had too many HD failures in my life to even count. My notebook HD has been replaced twice in 1 year. Instant failure with no warning.

Someone else mentioned that you need backup. If you don't back up your files then you can't complain about a failure and losing everything.

I've had ram chips, motherboards, video cards, and pretty much any other computer part you can think of fail at some point in time.
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you get what you pay for. patriot is a budget brand. go intel next time.
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Get an OCZ Vertex or an Intel drive next time.


Also I don't buy that they're dead, **** don't just die. There has been plenty of random motherboard drive issues around with SSDs, so why dont you take them out and try plugging them into something else. If that fails, open it up and see whats cooked.

Best method is to put it on a mobo with a decent controller and load up your favorite flavor of linux, but I'd suggest backtrack3 if you want to recover data (if it is indeed corrupted). Dump a dmesg and perhaps I can help you out.
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i had one drive fail on me, i had a few that started to fail but i had enough time to backup or image them. i never had 2 brand new ones fail within a month.

Started to fail? If this was on a SSD that sounds more like it was stuttering to me due to crappy firmware. Perhaps you should educate yourself on ssds here:

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...play.php?f=233

It might be OCZ Specific, but its good information.
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Started to fail?

no , 2 ssd's, purchased from different vendors within a moth, died with no warning, as in not recognized by the bios , drives had no stuttering or other performance issues while they worked.

the one that i referred to "started to fail" was a regular 3.5 hdd




i am not bashing a product, and Indilux based SSD is not exactly a "budget" brand.

the reference design is failing across several brand names just like a few nvidia boards mentioned here.

and for some reason you guys think that it is ok .... wtf ?
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