freddys 350z

started work on mine. plan to remove a lot of material around the out side of the ports and shape it.

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freddys 350z

got the outer port shape roughed out. i took it down to the casting mark, which is about 5-6 mm of material. my grinder died, so i gotta pick up another one.

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those holes in the runners, the drain holes for the oil you get from the pcv valve. would it be a good ideal to weld those shut and just run a good air/oil separator instead. i cant hope but think these holes mess with the air flow.

cmcurran5

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i was thinking the same thing. i figured if you're running a good catch can than you wouldnt need them but i didnt want to chance it.

freddys 350z

i guess ill try it. i check it after a while, and if i notice an oil puddle building up ill just re-drill the holes.

freddys 350z

update. finally bought a new grinder and did a little more roughing out. ive probably remove 1/2 lbs of aluminum. a lot of material was removed around and on top of the ports.

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Daniel M

This is what I did to my plenum.








This is the result.

Quamen

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Some custom work I did in 2010. 1-piece VQ manifold.

JCITY

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Was wondering,whats the real power gain that you can feel after all the
labor to port&polish the insides of a plenum?I can see it maybe if this was done
on a FI converted car.Adding a spacer itself would should give the same results.
Years ago,had a Lincoln LSC.Did a lot of mods on the engine which essentially
is a Mustang motor.After adding a Paxton SC,I had the plenum polished and ported.
I would'nt have done the plenum if I had not done the SC.

Daniel M

I gained 8hp as you can see in my dyno plot without any tuning of the ecu.
The engine is running quite lean until 4500rpm.
There is more to gain with a proper tuning.

cmcurran5

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motordyne takes in used 03-05 and ports it for rev-up motors. after tune they claime 15-25 hp gain with supports intakes. i noticed an instant difference just waiting for nicer weather to tune.

RENFRO

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Decided to do this little project for my 03 DE after snatching up a used lower for a good price. Took 5mm off of the front two runners and cleaned up every casting line visible and down through the runners.

The finished product (Also cleaned up the upper)


Closeup


Compared to my stock lower


Dyno Results are about what I expected since mine is just the DE. However, it did prove a nice gain throughout my entire powerband so I was able to do something right. This was paired with a spacer as well. I'd be interested to see what this plenum setup would do on a REVUP.


Sounds pretty good! I noticed a bit more of a growl from it. Doing headers next week with art pipes so I'm hoping this little mod will compliment it well.

audiophil350z

I bought a used lower plenum from a guy who did the Mrev2. I did a fairly fast modification of reducing the front two tops and then cleaned up the casting lines on the other four. Did it all with an angle grinder, Dremel, and finished with 100 grit sandpaper. Took about 90 minutes. Comments?



I am also installing a 5/16 Motordyne spacer and (hopefully) solving a minor #6 oil leak all at the same time.

pfregeolle

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Looks like 90 minutes.

iideadeyeii

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I wonder what would happen if that whole top was cut off so the air didn't have to travel around the bend and just went straight down to the head instead. (I'm F/I)

EDITTT Realized that kinetix pretty much did this with their aftermarket plenum and didn't really see gains unless over 500whp??, but not sure if anyone tried this with a stock plenum

audiophil350z

Somehow I got a double post.

audiophil350z

The basic thought was to polish the tops of the back four and cut down the front two. I am assuming the lines in the casting are parting versus a design to impact the airflow, so removing them in polishing is a good thing. Seems to me that the tops are the only place where the air flow is impacted as that is the restriction to the plenum top. At that point you have a restriction, therefore the flow velocity is the highest. Polishing the remaining lower areas on the plenum seems like a waste of time and effort as those will be low pressure and flow. If the height is doubled, the velocity is halved for the same volume of air moved, so the finish is much less important My point was that it is a reasonably short job then. No reason to spend 10 hours polishing areas that are not going to impact flow.

pfregeolle What more would you do?

taywan

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Sub D to read more later

waldo36

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So I know that the thing to do is shave the top of the runners. But I haven't seen hardly anybody widen the inside the mouth of the runner. What is the difference widening the mouth of the runners vs shaving the top?

To me it seems to make more sense to leave the runners the same height and remove material from the inside. Or is there something about that that I'm not understanding?

mr. sparco

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Upper plenum is at an angle, air is channeled through the center from the rear. The top of the front two runners is restricting the airflow. Your freeing up the restriction and increasing volume near those runners improving air flow. This has been tried and proven since way back when.

One thing to also consider is the shape of the entrance of the runners. If you shave off material on the inside, the velocity stack shape may be altered and you risk reducing air velocity.

waldo36

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Well I have the V+ paired with a 1/2" spacer. So my angle level isn't as severe as the factory upper.

Ok, that makes sense. I will not be cutting the top of the runners.

So now this leads to my next question. I haven't seen anyone remove material from bottom of the runners. Where the bottom of the plenum matches up to the actual runners. The turn is narrow, so what if you removed the shaded area to keep the same diameter down to the oil blow by hole? Effectively widening the turn and allowing more air to flow down.