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Old 04-21-2009, 12:33 PM   #1
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Alright, so I've finally started working out regularly- every day or other day. I do resistance training, i do a cardio routine after weights or the day following lifting, depending on how much time i have. But im looking to really speed up my metabolism, and my question right now is: Would doing the cardio every day be any more beneficial, or would it have adverse effects (as opposed to me doing it every other day like i do now)?

My running routine is simply sprint for 30 sec-1 min, then jog for 1 min. repeat 6 times.

I am looking to bulk up some (15-20 lbs. of muscle), but also get more lean and cut. At this point, i am eating 5-6 meals a day, mostly small, and one or two larger meals. Not much fat, mostly chicken, eggs, vegetables, beans, fiber, etc. Not doing any protein bars/supplements as I have heard too much excess protein can do more harm than good, and i get plenty of it from eating multiple chicken breasts, eggs, and turkey nearly every day.

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What is your weight and caloric intake? What is your water intake as well? (After I stared drinking more water, it seemed that it helped regulate my system a bit more and just help my body all around)

Also, its probably going to be extremely difficult to just gain 15-20 lbs of lean muscle. Most bb sites would just advise you to eat a few pounds above your desired weight and then cut down to it while working out very hard to reduce muscle loss.

Eating many small meals spaced through out the day will definitely increase your metabolism. ****, my first few weeks of P90x, I was gaining off 3000 calories/day. Now, 9 weeks later, I've upped to 3600 calories/day and I'm just maintaining my weight and no longer gaining.
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What is your weight and caloric intake? What is your water intake as well? (After I stared drinking more water, it seemed that it helped regulate my system a bit more and just help my body all around)

Also, its probably going to be extremely difficult to just gain 15-20 lbs of lean muscle. Most bb sites would just advise you to eat a few pounds above your desired weight and then cut down to it while working out very hard to reduce muscle loss.

Eating many small meals spaced through out the day will definitely increase your metabolism. ****, my first few weeks of P90x, I was gaining off 3000 calories/day. Now, 9 weeks later, I've upped to 3600 calories/day and I'm just maintaining my weight and no longer gaining.
I honestly don't know what my caloric intake is. I weigh about 140-145, and i drink a lot of water throughout the day. I would say maybe 10-20 cups a day at least.

I dont think my calorie intake is anything like 3000 a day, and i am still trying to get it up even more than i have already. Are there any specific things to try to eat when increasing my calorie intake? What would be the best way of gaining that lean muscle though? I really am trying to avoid putting on any more fat than i have already.
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Well, maybe some "assistance" like pheromones or something would help gain pure lean muscle, but I dunno. I've never used, so I can't attest to the results or risks, really. Just some second hand info from a friend... but he was an idiot and took the strongest crap he could find without researching and fugged him self up for a while.

As far as I have researched though, if your body is gaining weight in muscle, you're going to put on some amount of fat as well... but that's why you can bulk up to a certain weight, then cut calories, and come back down.

If you want to cut, then cardio is good for that... especially HIT (jog/sprint) intervals. I had lost as much as 3 lbs in a week and a half by doing a bunch of cardio post workout... and that's while eating 3000 calories a day.

As for eating, just pace your self and try to avoid empty or bad carbs (non-diet soda, white breads, white flours) if you want to lose weight (fat).

You could probably check out bodybuilding.com forums... they have a ton of info there about bulking and cutting, lean muscle, etc.

*edit* You can use this to figure out about how much you should be eating. http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles...alculator.html
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Alright thanks man. I definitely stay away from sodas, sugar, and white bread. I think I will go for bulking up then cutting down. For that though, should i continue just doing the cardio every other day as opposed to every day? And does it make a difference if i run after lifting as opposed to running on non-lifting days?
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Running after lifting provides the most fat-burning benefit from what I hear since usually your body has burned through any calories it has on reserve (from eating ,etc.) it is forced to take calories from other stored sources, like fat. High-Intensity stuff seems to accelerate this process...

For off-days, if you want to just get more cut, then 15 minutes or so should be fine if you want to just get cut. For bulking, you may just want to stick to cardio post work-out and then hit cardio very hard on a cutting period.
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Any suggestions on boosting energy levels? I tend to run on non-lifting days since i can make it through the routine better than after i just lifted. Not sure if that will just get better with time, the more i work out, or i need to adjust my eating to help.
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Unless you've got the genetics to get larger while staying cut(see:Blasian) you're going to have to carry a little extra unwanted weight while putting on musckles mass.

Cardio helps keep the unwanted at bay though.
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Any suggestions on boosting energy levels? I tend to run on non-lifting days since i can make it through the routine better than after i just lifted. Not sure if that will just get better with time, the more i work out, or i need to adjust my eating to help.
White Flood or other NO2 products give me a **** load of energy.

Also, aside from the other things mentioned, make sure you get lots of rest. Poor sleeping habits and stress definitely will not help your situation.

As for me, like Glassgow said again, I don't have the genetics to gain muscle and lose fat. I've been unable to shed this last bit of fat below my belly button due to the fact that I'm still trying to put on weight and mass. It's not all bad though... as I've went from a 39" chest (under my arms) to a 42" . DAMN BLASIAN AND HIS SUPER GENES! *edit* and phreaktor too!

I'd say try a bulking/cut cycle and see how your body responds. See where you gain at (use a measuring tape and measure everything! calves, thighs, waist, hips, chest, bicep, forearm, neck). Try like bulk 2 weeks (this way you don't put on too much weight, just in case you dont' like what you see) and measure each week, then cut 1-2 weeks and track the measurements at the end..

*edit* Just for kicks, this dude is pro and was already cut before he bulked, but it's just showing that you can still be strong as hell even though you gain fat. (An extreme example)

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Alright, so now i just need to figure out what all i should do differently during bulk and cut periods. Should I continue similar lifting routines during cut periods, but cut calories and increase cardio to say, every day?

Also, does that guy have some sort of site or something i can look at?



edit: sorry for all these questions guys, Im just getting more response from you guys and this car forum than over at a bodybuilding forum, ironically.
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Haha, I've got a link on my work PC. Let me see if I can find his guide... I was using it for a while, but my metabolism has out-paced what the guide's calories suggested to me, so I had to go higher... so that's my only issue with it. That's going to differ for each and every person though.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4708463

Look up threads started by that dude. Pretty much all of them are Bulk & Cut threads.

This is another decent one on cutting... (not by the same dude)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...postcount=1305
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Thanks man you have been a big help.
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