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01-02-2006, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JonathanAboona
stupid question.....
if i was to pull the motor myself, should i tear the motor down myself and send the parts off to the shop along with all the forged goodies i purchased or will they charge me the same...... i put the car in the garage already for the winter and dont really need to have it until next spring. Here is a layout of my plan.
First over the next 2 months whenever I have time, just slowly take the front end apart and eventually the motor
Next tear the motor down and get all the codes for all the bearings etc and order all the parts that I can afford to get rods pistons yada yada yda. All i want to be at is the 650-750 daily driver strength range even though I will likley keep it tuend down to 450-500
now here is where I dont know what to do
I mean I am decent with cars and have alot of buddies who are good with them, if time wasn't a issue is it possible for a person to build the motor themselve ? or is it just too hard and another factor in this is how much would a shop charge if i said here is my torn down block, here are the parts put it back together ?
next I would put the motor back in myself.
Another really stupid question, I cant afford the actual focred induction yet, if i went to a low compression piston but was driving N/A still for another year or so is this possible. or will the motor not function properly, is there any way i can adjust the air fuel until the F/I arrives. I am guessing if I am running low compression N/A the car will actually perform less until it arrived, how much less and like i said above is this possible or will it destroy the motor ?
I am open for suggestions on what people think i should do
Limited budget yet can do without the Z for a good 6 months
if i was to pull the motor myself, should i tear the motor down myself and send the parts off to the shop along with all the forged goodies i purchased or will they charge me the same...... i put the car in the garage already for the winter and dont really need to have it until next spring. Here is a layout of my plan.
First over the next 2 months whenever I have time, just slowly take the front end apart and eventually the motor
Next tear the motor down and get all the codes for all the bearings etc and order all the parts that I can afford to get rods pistons yada yada yda. All i want to be at is the 650-750 daily driver strength range even though I will likley keep it tuend down to 450-500
now here is where I dont know what to do
I mean I am decent with cars and have alot of buddies who are good with them, if time wasn't a issue is it possible for a person to build the motor themselve ? or is it just too hard and another factor in this is how much would a shop charge if i said here is my torn down block, here are the parts put it back together ?
next I would put the motor back in myself.
Another really stupid question, I cant afford the actual focred induction yet, if i went to a low compression piston but was driving N/A still for another year or so is this possible. or will the motor not function properly, is there any way i can adjust the air fuel until the F/I arrives. I am guessing if I am running low compression N/A the car will actually perform less until it arrived, how much less and like i said above is this possible or will it destroy the motor ?
I am open for suggestions on what people think i should do
Limited budget yet can do without the Z for a good 6 months
02-24-2006, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by one3502nv
Good post for the basics however, not to be a troll, but we all know there are many people who have run forced induction with no engine problems, and although the info is good if you wish to build the motor, i feel it will scare some people away for FI land. I myself have over 78,000 miles on my Z with 8000 of those on my APS TT kit with my stock block with no problems.. Pushing well over 400 whp. And these are beat, hard, miles.... And my only other comment, is that a engine builder should be able to do the job in a bout a week or two, not 4-6... Thats all! Enjoy!
You ARE so right man. I am super scared about doing any FI mods now. I don't know much about VQ Eng but come on if you want to take you engine's guts out and build the whole thing ans spend all this money why not just sell the Z and buy a Used porsche 911 or a Vett Z06. personally I love my ZR more than the vett. I was planning to Go SC next year like stillen or something but I was just gonna go with my stock engine but you guys Scare the S>>>t out of me!!!!
Do you guys ( all the FI Expert) think that going Sc with a safe boost like I want at least an increase of 80hp to the wheels is a dumb idea without rebuilding your engine ??????
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02-24-2006, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 3kgt48
You ARE so right man. I am super scared about doing any FI mods now. I know know much about VQ Eng but come on if you want to take you engine's guts out and build the whole thing ans spend all this money why not just sell the Z and buy a Used porsche 911 or a Vett Z06.
06-27-2006, 12:28 AM
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Man awsome explanation, really nice
. Now could you tell us how much money we are looking at by the end of a project like this? Because for what i have seen including the labor cost you are aiming at at least $25.000 - $30.000 
with out including transmission, clutch and considering the stock differential etc will hold that power. Am I wrong or around the rigth numbers.
because if it is like that I would rather get that money to buy a damn phorse or vette that comes more close to that power that we are trying to reach. Do not get me wrong , the 350Z is a bad *** looking car but we are paying for all those upgrades more of what the car costs. As I said A Porshe or ZO6 vette are around that cost even lower a brand new vette or an used porshe. Just a humble opinion.
. Now could you tell us how much money we are looking at by the end of a project like this? Because for what i have seen including the labor cost you are aiming at at least $25.000 - $30.000 with out including transmission, clutch and considering the stock differential etc will hold that power. Am I wrong or around the rigth numbers. because if it is like that I would rather get that money to buy a damn phorse or vette that comes more close to that power that we are trying to reach. Do not get me wrong , the 350Z is a bad *** looking car but we are paying for all those upgrades more of what the car costs. As I said A Porshe or ZO6 vette are around that cost even lower a brand new vette or an used porshe. Just a humble opinion.
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06-27-2006, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by carlosprats
As I said A Porshe or ZO6 vette are around that cost even lower a brand new vette or an used porshe. Just a humble opinion.
Yes you're figures are right. Figure $30K after all is said on done plus $30K for a brand new Z. A brand new Z06 is selling @ $90K and will definately give 600whp VQ35's a run for their money. MSRP is around $70K but a lot of dealers have a $20K mark up over MSRP for demand. As far as the Porsche the only Porsche (there are more, but even more expensive than the 911) that will compete with a fully build VQ35 is 911 Turbo. They cost $130K brand new and a used one sells for $90K, but the 911 turbo won't be as fast as a fully built VQ35 unless you start modding and mods for a Porsche a really expensive.
06-27-2006, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by carlosprats
Man awsome explanation, really nice . Now could you tell us how much money we are looking at by the end of a project like this? Because for what i have seen including the labor cost you are aiming at at least $25.000 - $30.000 with out including transmission, clutch and considering the stock differential etc will hold that power. Am I wrong or around the rigth numbers.
because if it is like that I would rather get that money to buy a damn phorse or vette that comes more close to that power that we are trying to reach. Do not get me wrong , the 350Z is a bad *** looking car but we are paying for all those upgrades more of what the car costs. As I said A Porshe or ZO6 vette are around that cost even lower a brand new vette or an used porshe. Just a humble opinion.
. Now could you tell us how much money we are looking at by the end of a project like this? Because for what i have seen including the labor cost you are aiming at at least $25.000 - $30.000 with out including transmission, clutch and considering the stock differential etc will hold that power. Am I wrong or around the rigth numbers. because if it is like that I would rather get that money to buy a damn phorse or vette that comes more close to that power that we are trying to reach. Do not get me wrong , the 350Z is a bad *** looking car but we are paying for all those upgrades more of what the car costs. As I said A Porshe or ZO6 vette are around that cost even lower a brand new vette or an used porshe. Just a humble opinion.
I agree with Carlos, I have over 73,000 dollars on my Z. when I could buy somthing like this, with that money. Faster or slower still a Porsche.Anyways I still love my ZR.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...01669971QQrdZ1
06-27-2006, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Yes you're figures are right. Figure $30K after all is said on done plus $30K for a brand new Z. A brand new Z06 is selling @ $90K and will definately give 600whp VQ35's a run for their money. MSRP is around $70K but a lot of dealers have a $20K mark up over MSRP for demand. As far as the Porsche the only Porsche (there are more, but even more expensive than the 911) that will compete with a fully build VQ35 is 911 Turbo. They cost $130K brand new and a used one sells for $90K, but the 911 turbo won't be as fast as a fully built VQ35 unless you start modding and mods for a Porsche a really expensive.
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Yes you're figures are right. Figure $30K after all is said on done plus $30K for a brand new Z. A brand new Z06 is selling @ $90K and will definately give 600whp VQ35's a run for their money. MSRP is around $70K but a lot of dealers have a $20K mark up over MSRP for demand. As far as the Porsche the only Porsche (there are more, but even more expensive than the 911) that will compete with a fully build VQ35 is 911 Turbo. They cost $130K brand new and a used one sells for $90K, but the 911 turbo won't be as fast as a fully built VQ35 unless you start modding and mods for a Porsche a really expensive.
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/opti...&restore=false
06-27-2006, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CESAROTORRES
I agree with Carlos, I have over 73,000 dollars on my Z. when I could buy somthing like this, with that money. Faster or slower still a Porsche.Anyways I still love my ZR.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...01669971QQrdZ1
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Originally Posted by carlosprats
Heheheh check the vette price . i bought my car here so it is accurate and they stand for it.
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/opti...&restore=false
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/opti...&restore=false
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
That's not too bad. Maybe they are coming down. It's still over MSPR though.
Let the rich boys spend their money on them. when demands slows down in maybe a year or two we the middle boys will jump on in and get them
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
to be totally safe...none
some have pushed the limits, some still holding strong...they can chime in here
some have pushed the limits, some still holding strong...they can chime in here
have anyone been able to get a hold of Nissan HP & torque capacity for a VQ35 engine. Meaning is there anyplace where we can get information of how much are this engines able to hold with the stock metals, before breaking point? The question is valid if there is such information abailable for the common people
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Originally Posted by carlosprats
have anyone been able to get a hold of Nissan HP & torque capacity for a VQ35 engine. Meaning is there anyplace where we can get information of how much are this engines able to hold with the stock metals, before breaking point? The question is valid if there is such information abailable for the common peopleI had the information that Peter at APS sent to me but I can find it now. E-mail peter we can provide that info to you.
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Originally Posted by CESAROTORRES
Carlos,
I had the information that Peter at APS sent to me but I can find it now. E-mail peter we can provide that info to you.
Cesar
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I had the information that Peter at APS sent to me but I can find it now. E-mail peter we can provide that info to you.
Cesar
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