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Old 09-09-2005, 09:01 AM   #1
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Default 2nd Amendment apparently washed away in NO...

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NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still living here.

Police officers looking for survivors today in the Ninth Ward of New Orleans.
No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

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So, you can't even keep your weapon to protect yourself from armed thugs. What the heck do they think the 2nd amendment is for?
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:05 AM   #2
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NO is a special case.
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I think they should have done this a LONG time ago. Regular citizens "protecting their property" turn to killers during time of crisis.
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I think they should have done this a LONG time ago. Regular citizens "protecting their property" turn to killers during time of crisis.
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So, you can't even keep your weapon to protect yourself from armed thugs. What the heck do they think the 2nd amendment is for?
+1. That's twice in the past few weeks that we've agreed. Go figure.
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Then why is their a 2nd ammendment at all? I tell ya, I wouldn't go near NO without my arsenal in case I had to defend my life from those hard core armed thugs.
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Old 09-09-2005, 04:32 PM   #7
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That's pretty disturbing.
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You know, sometimes, when I think to much and when I see stuff like this happen, it gets me upset because I begin to think, very soon my gun rights will be taken away. What are you supposed to do when looters are looting your house? How are you supposed to protect yourself? Very disturbing indeed.
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Also another thing. Are they compensating them for taking there firearms? Firearms don't come cheap.
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+1. That's twice in the past few weeks that we've agreed. Go figure.
I'm glad we see eye-to-eye on this issue.

-Jon (agrees with the sentiment that citizens shouldn't have their 2nd Amendment rights violated unless they commit a crime with a firearm)
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What if the commit other violent crimes, or even non-violent ones?
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Stand by for the fallout on this one. Holy crap...if anyone had their legal firearm taken away from them...yikes, I wouldn't want to be the public official at the defendant's table. I hope at the very least the NRA gets involved in the aftermath legal battles.

Who the hell is this local government to rescind their own laws and usurp the federal Constitution? I know it's an extraordinary situation, but unless marshall has been declared (and LA does not have a provision for it), then I can't see how this is legal. It may be the smart thing to do, but legal?
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The Constitution is dead. The Republic is no longer ... it is only to be seen if we become a Socialist Democracy like the liberals want or a Facist state like the conservatives want.

I've got $5 on the commies over the nazis.
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That's what the gov will say every time it wants to violate your rights. Let the people stay if they want, who cares?

+1. "special cases" lead to arguments for "not special cases", and soon, you have no rights. Legally licensed firearms used to kill those who threaten your well being are the best kind. I'll bet $10 that the a-holes shooting at the rescue workers did not legally own the firearms they were firing.
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What if the commit other violent crimes, or even non-violent ones?
If they're charged with a felony crime without the gun, there's no cause to take the gun from their possession unless it's on their person. If they're convicted, I'm sure the gun(s) would be confiscated. Most states don't allow convicted felons to own guns. In any case, that would happen after a trial, so the only real time the gun would be removed from someone's possession before conviction (unless he's carrying it at the time of arrest) is if it were used to commit a crime. Of course, I might be overlooking a factor...
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Stand by for the fallout on this one. Holy crap...if anyone had their legal firearm taken away from them...yikes, I wouldn't want to be the public official at the defendant's table. I hope at the very least the NRA gets involved in the aftermath legal battles.

Who the hell is this local government to rescind their own laws and usurp the federal Constitution? I know it's an extraordinary situation, but unless marshall has been declared (and LA does not have a provision for it), then I can't see how this is legal. It may be the smart thing to do, but legal?
Does local "marshall law" sidestep the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Is there precedent for that?
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Gun stores are being looted in NO, I doubt those criminals shooting at rescue people own them legally....I am glad they are taking their weapons away, I mean, those people have no food, water, they are probably going crazy, its not about rights, its about common sense. There are too many people that would never allow the 2nd amendment to be taken away, this is common sense...

BTW, I care about people living in that situation, I say make them all leave, I dont want zombies and **** eating me........
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Gun stores are being looted in NO, I doubt those criminals shooting at rescue people own them legally....I am glad they are taking their weapons away, I mean, those people have no food, water, they are probably going crazy, its not about rights, its about common sense. There are too many people that would never allow the 2nd amendment to be taken away, this is common sense...

BTW, I care about people living in that situation, I say make them all leave, I dont want zombies and **** eating me........
People have the choice to be stupid. If they want to stay that's their problem. The government has no legal right to remove them from their homes. The government can remove them from public areas and even that could be sketchy at times.

As far as the 2nd Amendment, the government also has no legal right to confiscate legally owned firearms. That's the point we're making here. People who've stolen firearms don't have them legally.
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this is an outrage!

i'd be the first in line to greet the "rescuers" breaking down my door with an M4 Super 90! either that or claymores in the front/back lawn.
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this dude would be the first one to read "front towards enemy"

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