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Question for people w/ handguns in their car.(long)
Just wanted to share a situation i have gone through today:
I was short on gas while driving on the road today and decided to stop by the local gas station. While i decided to fill my tank i see a person rapidly approaching me. I knew he wanted something. I did not have a great feeling about it and once he was 6-7 feet away from me i simply and politely told him to keep his distance. He responded with anger: "Yo cuz, don't get an attitude with me i'm homeless.". I have told him one more time to just keep his distance POLITELY. He kep getting angrier with a response what i was not too happy with. "I spent 8 years in the Marine Corp cuz, i'll kill you with a bullet". While he said this he was reaching his hand into his back pocket. My reaction was back off quickly and dial 911 on my cell phone as he backed of saying. "**** you, call the cops". While i was still filing up i am still on the phone with the operator and i see the bums about 50 feet away. They were a group of about 8 and i suppose he was telling his crew about what i have said. After that the big white one started walking rapidly towards me as i locked my car doors and went in the store where there was people and i wanted to make sure to talk to the police before this fool tried something. I just did not want to run. As i went to the store i told the cashier what was going on. Right before i saw he was coming in i had to lock myself in the bathroom until the police arrived.
The police arrived and i pinpointed the male who threatened me. After the officer came to me and told me not to worry about the bums. They have gotten numerous calls on bullshat like this and it's just there "mentality". They are not armed and he knew them for 8-9 years. I have explained i understood but this guy threatened my life and what if he did happen to shoot me. He asked me if i had an AK47 in my vehicle because this is what this retarded ass bum told the police. Let me finish this off short by saying the officer was not going to lead pressing charges or w/e and we left.
My question to the handgun owners: If you were in this situation not knowing the outcome and in reach within your firearm, how would you have honestly reacted?
Well, I am not able to carry a gun. But, If I was able to, I would to told the bum to back up, for a third time, then if the countined to come at me. I would of drawn my firearm. Then repeated myself in a louder tone, If he countined, Aim the firearm at him.
If this did not stop him, I would backup a couple steps, repeat... If, I truly thought he was going to harm me. I would then back up one more step, and fired at his arm or leg.
Well, in detail what exactly would you have done? Would you have just pulled it to intimidate your target or actually fire at him.
No, I wouldn't pull it out unless I was going to shoot someone. It's not legal to shoot someone unless you feel your life is in immediate danger. Check the laws in your state, FL has a law which you don't have to tuck tail and run.
I'm not sure in detail what I would have done. Probably stayed in my car and waited for them to do something I suppose.
I grew up in "not good" neighborhoods and have the "look" that keeps these guys away or brushes them off quickly. I'm also bigger than the average guy and always carry myself aggressively - condition orange it's called - whenever I'm in a risky area. Pumping gas is a very dangerous time for a car jacking. There are gas stations in town that I don't go to because that's were the crack heads and homeless hang out.
The station I use is well lit and next to the freeway so there's not too terribly much to support the homeless there save the typical off ramp.
I have played with a guy on a bike at my favorite grocery store at 5:30 in the morning. As I parked the car he came towards me so I just moved to the far side of the lot ... he followed so I drove the other side ... home boy got tired of chasing me. When I came out he asked for a handout and I say sorry but I didn't have any cash. I think he knows my truck now and leaves me alone. I wouldn't park my Z in this lot.
In your case I think you handled yourself very well. You have to learn to communicate to the scum that you're a preditor and not prey.
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I carry a glock 36 (.45 caliber ). And I have it on me like I was born with it. I also have a CC permit. You cannot shoot someone b/c they get in your face. They must threaten severe bodily harm and or death. (ie gun, knife, baseball bat) Can't say what I wouldve done, but it sounds like you did the right thing. Just always try to have the cooler head...and usually things will precipate down. Do I feel safer when I go out at 1200-300 in the am to go grocery shopping, Wal-Mart, ATM (work nights) ...heyl yes I do. I would look in to a CC permit for your state. Don't make the mistake of illegally carrying.
The only time a firearm is to be drawn is to be fired. Never, I repeat never use a weapon as an intimidation factor. The chances of a weapon being taken away from you as normal citizen is quite high. Not to mention the effect a drawn weapon has during a confrontation. It only escallates the situation towards a critical level. Any time a weapon is wielded without the express intention of being discharged is just a receipe for disaster.
Also, when you are confronted w/a situation that requires the use of deadly force. You shoot to kill. Not injure, maime, or scare away. A situation that warrents deadly force is just that. Deadly force.
In this situation you had numerous avenues of escape: Into the building, into your vehicle, drive away in your vehicle, etc...
Florida does have cc permits and they are not that difficult to get.
Good to hear that this situation didn't turn into something that ugly. You took the correct action when you felt threatened. Calling 911 and finding shelter in a populated area.
Z owners do attract alot of attentions from complete strangers especially bums near gas stations. i've had my share of bums asking for handouts near filling stations or Mcdonalds any time during the day. They assume that you got nice wheels and you must have money in your pockets. i wouldn't go near ATM machines after dark, countless unreported number of people were robbed at gun point or knife point. Several years ago, one of my co-workers was stabbed to death near an ATM machine after midnight and recently a fella was kidnapped at gun point and later on released after withdrawing all his money from an ATM. Florida is doing the right thing with their new conceal carry law.
To qualify for a cc permit you must @ least take a class that educates you about when to use deadly force and when not to.
Education is wonderfull thing, there needs to be more of it. In every reguard.
i carry my glock with me most of the time. only time it would be drawn is to shoot. its not an intimidation toy. and in georgia all it takes to get a license to carry is a clean record and $45. no classes or training.
I think you did the right thing. It's not worth getting into legal trouble to beat up a bunch of worthless bums!!! You have nothing to prove to these worthless pieces of crap.
The only time a firearm is to be drawn is to be fired. Never, I repeat never use a weapon as an intimidation factor. The chances of a weapon being taken away from you as normal citizen is quite high. Not to mention the effect a drawn weapon has during a confrontation. It only escallates the situation towards a critical level. Any time a weapon is wielded without the express intention of being discharged is just a receipe for disaster.
Also, when you are confronted w/a situation that requires the use of deadly force. You shoot to kill. Not injure, maime, or scare away. A situation that warrents deadly force is just that. Deadly force.
Hmm. I see now. Thanks for the reply. I like this one indeed.
But what exactly would you do if this man threatened your life and reached in his back pocket as he was going to pull out a weapon? Would you have your firearm ready on your hand but still under clothes and "concealed" just in case you did have to use deadly force if this man happened to pull out a pistol or ran at you with a knife?
How close is this person to me.
How am I judging this person's physical capabilites.
Does this person seem capable of inflicting bodily harm.
Is this person armed.
Do they seem intent of causing me bodily harm.
What are my escape routes.
How can I diffuse the situation.
What is the setting of the situation.
Are there other people around, are they on my side or against me.
What's behind me.
What's behind them.
Etc....
There is about 100 different questions and scenarios that you quickly process and make a decision.
Me personally he is how I'd handle the situation.
@ any point the other person displays a firearm the next action is an immediate reaction by me. read: draw, move, fire. Even physical contact by the person does not nessecery mean drawning of the weapon. Fists and feet are quite effective for most situations. The rule to remember is that drawing and firing of the weapon is a last resort.
First off I'm 6'6" 225lbs. Kinda intimidating to begin with.
Scenario:
Approached by shady person w/ some sort of questionable intent. Keep an eye on them but do not initiate contact. You initating contact w/ a request to stay away put him in position as an aggressor. This puts you into a roll you don't want to play.
He approaches and asks for handout. Politely decline. He gets aggressive, stay calm and cold. If he moves towards me, stand ground but assess situation via criteria about. If he continues to become aggressive, take a firm and aggressive stance verbally and do not back away, do not appraoch but do not give an inch. It's becoming a pissing match @ this point for lack of a better term.
Usually @ this point the situation has been diffused. They back down and go to seek easier targets. Lots of guys get puffy chested, but will not move beyond that point. Key is no reaction as scared or passive on your part.
Lets assume the guy them gets more aggressive and moves closer. By the time you are within arms reach of someone they do not have enough time to draw a weapon and react to a sudden action. ie knife, physical attack.
So, you stay out of arms reach. You are near your vehicle. Get in and drive away. If you cannot get into your vehicle walk into the business. If you are in your vehicle and they physically block your exit, stay in the vehicle. Call for help on cell. Or attempt to drive away without running them over. Once again, if they brandish a firearm or break a window to extract you or attempt to open the door to get to you. Turn them into a pancake.
Key: Drawing and discharging a firearm is a last resort. Only under a circumstance of eminent severe physical harm would you be justified in shooting the other person.
When they make a threating jesture towards their body to pull a gun or knife it's usually a bluff. I have run into this myself. In a confrontation with someone and they make a move like they have something in their waistband. Out of the probably 20 times this has happened only once did they actually have something. A small cal pistol. Outside of a club, he waved it around in the air, then stuck it into the front of their pants. Never pointed it @ me or others around. About 2 sec after his hand was off the gun, 2 bouncers knocked him out w/ a severe beating about the head and shoulders. Once again only pull a weapon to use it. He learned the hard way. Spent the next 9 months in jail for public endangerment.
Usually it's just an action to intimidate you and help solidify their position as the aggressor.
What it comes down to: try to avoid getting into situations like this to being with. You were in a known "bad" area of town. Expensive car, by yourself, inital contact in a passive position.
Like I said earlier. Good that you came out of this without any physical dmage to you or property. You found yourself in an unfamiliar situation and perhaps didn't make the best decisions. Next time you will know how to handle the situation better and not allow it to spiral to the level it appraoched this time.
Hold you head high. You reacted in a way that prevented you from being harmed. You drove away scared perhaps, but a little wiser.
End of the day. "Better judged by 12 than carried by 6". *jay z*
Don't know if this applies in all states (and I don't even know if this is true), but a lawyer friend told me that if you draw your weapon and shoot at the torso/chest/head, that constitutes "attempted manslaughter". A shot to the legs is a lesser charge of "assault".
Don't know if this applies in all states (and I don't even know if this is true), but a lawyer friend told me that if you draw your weapon and shoot at the torso/chest/head, that constitutes "attempted manslaughter". A shot to the legs is a lesser charge of "assault".
That is almost silly. You use a weapon to stop and incapacitate an attacker. That movie crap about shooting a knee cap is not practical. You shoot for the largest area of mass, if that doesn't work you shoot for the hip area and lastly shoot for the head. The head is a small target and moves constantly.
In that scenerio, i would not have changed my routine or gone out of my way to conduct normal daily business. At 30 feet i would warn him i have a firearm and that i will use it. If the assailant moves Any closer than that and i would draw down while moving in the opposite direction for cover. After that, i can't say what i would do. The situation would have to play out.
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Question for people w/ handguns in their car.(long)
Let me finish this off short by saying the officer was not going to lead pressing charges or w/e and we left.
