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Last night at the far edge of my city's jurisdiction, I received a shots fired called. I responded, lights and sirens, to the reported location of the gun shots. I step out of my car, and in the distance I hear about 5 or 6 shotgun blast to the northeast of my location. I then call dispatch, advised them that its on "such and such" PD. I then advised that I would head to the direction of the gunfire to give them a heads up.
So I leave our jurisdiction (north one street) and start driving eastbound. Its a bunch of woods/fields in this area, ut I notice a campfire burning in the darkness. I think to myself, "surely these are the guys that are shooting of rounds, or at the very least, they could give me a better bearing from where its coming from."
So I drive down a 1/4 mile gravel road and activate my rear deck lights (for other officers coming). I exit my car and make contact with a guy who is obviously been drinking with t-shirt that says "The South Will Rise Again..." I'm like "great." So I make contact with this guy and ask him about the gunfire. He advised that he hadnt been shooting any guns and that he hadnt heard a thing. I then point out the .45 High Point handgun, box of shotgun shells, and the 2 AR mags on the picnic table next to me (I cleared the weapon obviously). He's starts stumbling his words like "uh, uh...uh." I interject and and tell him, its ok, I'm not here to "jam him up," I just was notifying him that he can't just discharge a firearm in the area; especially while drinking. The guy calms down, and advises that he and his brother-in-law were sorry, but that they were (and these are his actual words) "exercising their 2nd Amendment rights." I'm like "cool, lets talk to your brother-in-law and call it a night."
As we were preparing to approach the residence, other officers from that jurisdiction arrive on scene (as well as 2 others from my own dept). I explain the situation to those Officers, and then defer to those whose jurisdiction it is. A local officer began talking to the subject, and I and, and one of the officers from my pd, began walking around the campfire looking for other firearms. I take no more than 5 steps when I hear officer "badge heavy" going "MFer this, and MFer that (I never curse at anybody)." He then slams the guy and cuffs him. Up until that point, the guy had been super cordial so I was like "WTF is going on over there" As, try to understand what caused this escalation, 2 other officers not from my PD, and one from my pd(a rookie) go pounding on the door of the residence demanding that the brother-in-law answer....
...AND he did answer, he pointed his AR-15 out the window, directly at an officer and yell in the best twangy voice "you MFers better get off my property. I hear that and then "Gun!" and immediately, me and officer I was with) head straight for the house. The other 3 officers were running from it. If this guy had been intent on killing these guys then, they all would have been dead. We get to our cars, which was between the house and us, pop the trunks and pull out our ARs. The other Officers run to the southeast portion of the house (which was fully lighted with spotlights) and take cover behind a woodpile . I and the other officer head to the far western portion of the home and take cover behind the engine block of a disabled vehicle
Oh, did we forget something (or did they forget something)? The other officer who was kicked this all off, by handcuffing the first guy, was also behind the woodpile....and the guy that was in custody? Yep, he was unattended and had mysteriously disappeared.
I'm behind the car going "fcuk, fcuk, fcuk." So I'm covering the 180 degees one way, and the other officer has 180 degrees the other way.... and there we sit for hours. Our city command vehicle, is called into action and the county Sheriff arrives on the scene. The Chief of this particular jurisdiction, decides to defer to the County. And then politics comes into play. The smart, most efficient bet to end thsi quickly would have been to activate th eSWAT team from my jurisdiction, but because it was outside our city limits and the Sheriff and out mayor our ina bit of a power stuggle, the Sherriff decides to call State Police Swat, supplemented by another team 30 miles away.
The guy in the house has night sights, and has been yelling at the guys in the woodpile "I can see you." All over the radio, I'm hearing people asking about "where is the other guy?" Me and my partner couldnt help but laugh at the cluster that was taking place... seriously, we were laughing.
So there hours later SWAT arrives and attempts to extract us....
They tell us, were going "this way," I'm like "fcuk that, that guy has night sights." I saw their azzes pucker up right then and there, they hadnt been aware of that. I'm like "who briefed you guys" and they tell me the Sheriff...
At this point I figured, that I was going to die, not from gunshot wounds, but from exposure to the elements, b/c my black azz was staying put.
So those 2 SWAT guys don't go anywhere... theyve joined "disabled vehicle detail"
Eventually State SWAT arrives and makes entry from the rear of the residence and the guy gives up. Its 30 degrees outside, and Ive been out there for 4 plus hours in short sleeves.
I get in my car and drive to the command vehicle for debriefing. After which, the Officer that started this all, asks me "Uh, you gonna take the report on all this?" My response "............................." and I drive away....
Note to self, never try to help another PD again.
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Yep it would of been better if you could of keep the others cool and calm like you were trying to do. Would of saved you the threat of death and the tax payers $$$.
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Yep it would of been better if you could of keep the others cool and calm like you were trying to do. Would of saved you the threat of death and the tax payers $$$.
The guys at my PD were making jokes about how much money I owed the city because I took a call out of jurisdiction and forcing the Command Vehicle to come up there...
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You should kick the other cop in the knee.... Glad your ok, theres been many bad endings to situations like this lately.
Thanks for all your thoughts guys...
...and yeah, as soon as the situation went to hell, I couldnt help but think of current events. I think I really must have a screw loose or really good training, b/c as soon as things popped off, my adreniline never kicked in... then again, I have been in a police action shooting and also been shot in the line of duty....
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Thanks for all your thoughts guys...
...and yeah, as soon as the situation went to hell, I couldnt help but think of current events. I think I really must have a screw loose or really good training, b/c as soon as things popped off, my adreniline never kicked in... then again, I have been in a police action shooting and also been shot in the line of duty....
True but like you said the guy in the house had an ar and nightscope/vision. You were right, had he intent on killing one of the cops he would have. After a certain point I would have been laughing at how fcked up it was too.
You showing up and just being like "You cant shoot rilfes here esp with drinking" - example of normal mentality
Other cop being a rookie wanna be bad ass - example of every cop here.
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Sounds to me like the bad ass cop escalated and made the situation much much worse.
It also sounds to me like you had the right idea the whole time, and most likely the situation would have been defused if you'd have entered the house with him being reasonable.
I'd write a report on that cop if I was you, but leave it as that.
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True but like you said the guy in the house had an ar and nightscope/vision. You were right, had he intent on killing one of the cops he would have. After a certain point I would have been laughing at how fcked up it was too.
You showing up and just being like "You cant shoot rilfes here esp with drinking" - example of normal mentality
Other cop being a rookie wanna be bad ass - example of every cop here.
I had to go back a clarify the story, the guy that started it up, wasnt a rookie (I have no idea how long he had been on, but last night we learned he was OIC that night....he was a younger guy tho), rather the officer from my pd that also approached the house was a first year guy...
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so why did he cuff the guy? I thought this was gonna end where he found a body behind the woodpile.
and why did the retard point a gun out the window? warrants?
Stats, I guess.... it is illegal to discharge a firearm within city limits, but (and this is how I used descretion) this area used to be waaaaaay, about 5 yrs ago, out in the country and now "progress" has caught up with it. It wouldnt have been a problem back then.
No idea why the guy pointed the gun out the window, and unsure of warrants. Doubt there were any though, hot pursuit, I'd imagine....but I honestly dont know.
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Yeah, So I Almost Was Killed Last Night....
. If this guy had been intent on killing these guys then, they all would have been dead. We get to our cars, which was between the house and us, pop the trunks and pull out our ARs. The other Officers run to the southeast portion of the house (which was fully lighted with spotlights) and take cover behind a woodpile 
. I and the other officer head to the far western portion of the home and take cover behind the engine block of a disabled vehicle 
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then again, I have been in a police action shooting and also been shot in the line of duty....
