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Old 02-03-2014, 08:13 PM   #101
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Im not sure why they would be down anyone's throat Gizz, I purchased my kit just like everyone else. But this is not a discussion, this is his thread of information. Think of it as a store front, you can ***** outside all day long, you can run your mouth but ruin a thread that actually helps people learn about things and you are degrading the purpose of this forum. You have your own little thread to b1tch and moan about.

Just so you understand the reality, According to Sasha, I am likely much younger than you, and honestly don't give two *****. Now let's set aside our obvious socio-economic differences and be level headed for a minute. If price was your only deciding factor on turbo kits DO NOT buy any kit. I chose BP because I could call and talk to a guy and get exactly what I wanted for a reasonable price and quality was at the very tip-top.

When I need to replace one of the engines on one of my aircraft, Do I go for the cheapest option? Do I automatically associate expense with quality? The answer is NO! I use experience, research, relationships, and diligence to determine the best source. Often times that means I can match low cost options with a still high end product. I believe this is what Sasha has accomplished here.

When I built my race motor for my boat, I managed to not **** and whine about a defective blower, it was fixed a couple weekends later... On my built motor GSXR 1000 race bike, I didn't get pissed at the engine builder because the clutch cable snapped at the track, I was beating the **** out of it and I should have checked the adjustment. When you play the blame game you look like a giant tool. Hell two days ago I was in Naples driving a new LP-560-4 wishing I wasn't getting ready for another build on the Z, we make choices and move on. You've made your choice now sack-up and take the consequences like a man. Fix your car, sell your car, burn it to the ground but honestly enough is enough whether it be BP or anyone else.

We make jokes all the time and Yes I love to jab at Sharif because rivalry is healthy and I see him every year at ZDAYZ and in TX2K and in ZNats along with SOHO and Z1 and IP and the old momentum guys. I have been a part of this community for a long while and in this time have learned that people like you will come and go, you give nothing back and expect everything.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:34 PM   #102
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"I have been a part of this community for a long while and in this time have learned that people like you will come and go, you give nothing back and expect everything."

Damn, MI. Well said, I enjoyed that!
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I made it half way through the first post and said to myself..."that looks like a nightmare of an install".
How so? It is as easy as installing an exhaust system. Everything bolts right up, and no alterations to anything on the car are needed.
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Any update on the HR your currently fitting this kit to?
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Surely you jest...Easy as an exhaust system to install? I highly doubt that.
You clearly have no clue as to what is involved in a turbo set up!
If you were to research further you will find that this kit is the best single turbo option available and you would be lucky to have one!
And yes very similar to bolting up and exhaust!
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Surely you jest...Easy as an exhaust system to install? I highly doubt that.
Please...if you haven't changed your own oil, do not comment on anything you have no experience on. This style of turbo kit can be installed on floor jacks! If that doesn't help you understand...do as this emoticon is doing!

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Please...if you haven't changed your own oil, do not comment on anything you have no experience on. This style of turbo kit can be installed on floor jacks! If that doesn't help you understand...do as this emoticon is doing!

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LOL! I guess you don't realize you just said that to a my350z OG with a new account. That's Julian (former owner of MRC). While he may not have any experience with the BP kit, he has more VQ and FI experience than anybody else in this thread. He was building legit 500+whp Z's (anybody remember r0mey and doug?) and running 10's with his own Z before most of you joined the forum.

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LOL! I guess you don't realize you just said that to a my350z OG with a new account. That's Julian (former owner of MRC). While he may not have any experience with the BP kit, he has more VQ and FI experience than anybody else in this thread. He was building legit 500+whp Z's (anybody remember r0mey and doug?) and running 10's with his own Z before most of you joined the forum.
lol

Seriously though, Julian was a great resource in NJ, sucks things went South for him ...business partners if memory serves.
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Yeah Julian, it's just a different brand of nut swingers on here nowadays...

Unfortunately, there hasn't been much development or interest in FI for the 370Z. Built motor VQ37's are EXTREMELY rare. My '09 370Z is bone stock and I'm going to turn it in for something else in July. Unfortunately, the VQ35DE FI section has stagnated significantly. Ever since used 350Z's became cheap enough for kids to buy, the forum has been inundated with a new demographic of young dumb broke ricers looking to boost the Z on the cheap like a Honda Civic. You haven't really missed much since you've been gone.

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LOL! I guess you don't realize you just said that to a my350z OG with a new account. That's Julian (former owner of MRC). While he may not have any experience with the BP kit, he has more VQ and FI experience than anybody else in this thread. He was building legit 500+whp Z's (anybody remember r0mey and doug?) and running 10's with his own Z before most of you joined the forum.
my spidey sense was tingling in another thread he was posting in. Friggin knew it!

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I see that just looking at FI threads that are over 2 years old..LOL What happened to GTM BTW?

Also I hear Powerlabs and APS dont make their kits anymore. Your pretty much left with custom or Greddy.
Oh the good old days where shops actually posted on here and everyone was nut swinging for somebody or themselves. They have all since really vacated since the GTR and 370z came out and a 350z can be bought cheaper than a new built block.

Get That Money....glad to see them gone. Overpriced crooks. Every time I saw a GTM kit in person i could tell by the crap fitment..tabs never lined up.

APS went to crap on their kits...people stopped buying and installing. Now they are looking at kanji and cheap ebay kits for 2k...sad.

The FI forum is not what it used to be that's for sure. Most of the new members would rather Stance or Plastidip...get that "mag" coverage on someones online blog and post DSLR pics.

BP kit is a lot easier an install..probably easier than a 350z Vortech.
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I made it half way through the first post and said to myself..."that looks like a nightmare of an install".
This kit was revised a while back, just for you bud. The original was actually rather straight forward to install. Not a single OEM part needs to be modified, drilled, cut...ect. The entire kit will literally bolt on out of the box. This is also the highest output single kit on the market both for the DE and the VHR engines, so not too bad for a "bolt on" kit.

There is a new version of the Boosted Performance twin scroll turbo kit for the VHR's....

Before I get to the details, I would like to thank this community for their support right from the beginning. It was great to see a positive response from car enthusiasts like myself when this kit was first introduced. As most of you know, my goal is to make the best turbo kit on the market, and have the best support possible behind it. I am not alone in this quest, as it is clear to that the guys at F.I have been doing the same thing, and also have a fantastic product available for you all. So it is great to see that I am not alone when it comes to putting a great product out to market.

I must also thank Mitco39, a local member who happened to be my second 370Z turbo customer. He was more than happy to bring his car over and leave it with me for three days. As a result I was able to achieve my goal in making the kit simpler to install.

There is a couple of reasons for this change. First is the install...and the feedback I received from current customers. A couple of you guys had a hard time with the installation of the 45* silicone coupler that goes directly on the turbo...and yes, it is a tight fit. This has now changed, and the new routing makes the install much easier.

The second reason (a result of the first) is the turbo options that will be available with the newly redesigned piping. With the new manifold the turbo sits at a slightly different location (very close to the previous). This allows me to use turbos that have the SP (S ported) compressor covers. These have a 4" inlet and a 2.5" outlet (vs 3.0" inlet and 2.0" outlet).

This opens up the doors for the new Precision GEN2 turbochargers like the all new 6266 rated at 800HP vs the old which was rated at 732HP:

http://www.precisionturbo.net/Street...6-CEA-reg-/567

As you can see this turbo is only available in the SP compressor cover configurations, so it was not compatible with the V1 of the turbo kit. There are a few more turbos that Precision is working on, but those won't be out till later this year. These will also be large turbos, and should only be considered for those who plan on building their engine.


Now to the recent changes.

If you recall, when I first had a donor car, I really wanted to route the IC piping on the driver side, but could not figure out a good way to do it. I then moved on, and figured out a way to push it though on the passengers side, and that works fine...nothing wrong with it, just a bit tight when installing.

It turns out, that if one moves the electrical connection on the starter by 180 degrees, enough room can be created to push a 2.5" intercooler pipe between it and the engine mount. This mod is very easy to do, loosen up an easy to get to 12mm bolt, spin the cable around 180 degrees, and you are done. Takes about a minute.

Here it is with the protective rubber boot, spun 180 degrees:




Because of this small modification the new plumbing looks like this:





Going in front of the OEM engine mount: (if you have an aftermarket engine mount, there will be room to spare since they are smaller diameter)



90 degree coupler looking from under the car, towards the steering knuckle:



T-bolt clamps are very easy to get to:






And over to the turbo:




On the floor it looks like so:




Now, since I had to make a new manifold to change the turbo location I went an extra step. The manifold is now build out of SCH 10 pipe. This pipe has a wall thickness of 3mm and the is essentially now "extreme". It weighs twice a much, but it is also twice as strong. There is nothing wrong with V1 of the manifold because proper welding techniques were implemented (back purging being the most important). The V1 of the manifold is just fine, and is track proven on the 350z platform.

Half done:



Here you can see the difference in wall thickness between the old V1 piping and the new V2, the new is almost twice the thickness. :



Finished product:



Mounted:



Clearance is still fantastic, and the lowest part of the turbo sits above the front sub-frame, and higher than the oil pan:



Port matched on the T4 flange:




All up:








Old compressor cover vs. new:






New turbo with larger air filter:




As a result of all this, the kit will now come with a oil thermostat, and two oil lines. One to the standard 30 row oil cooler and one from it back to the thermostatic plate:


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Im just curious as to your choice of turbo placement when designing this kit. Why did you opt to do a mid mount, undercar single turbo like the APS single turbo kit? (which really was not a huge seller back in the days)

Was the design prompted by ease of install? Or some other performance factor? Im honestly curious as to your design choices, and Im not being condescending in any shape or form, Im simply asking.

Ease of install and efficiency were the driving factors. The primaries are equal length, and provide much better exhaust scavenging than the traditional tangential turbine housings/design. This location also allows me to use a 67mm turbo with a T4 1.32 a/r housing, while keeping the turbo as close to the manifolds as possible. The kit works very well, and a lot of customers have had great results, primarily due to the T4 turbines.

The APS kit had it's limitations. A tiny T3 housing did not allow for any expansion/growth, which was a problem shared with other T3 single turbo kits (top mounts included).It was also more difficult to install since the crossover pipe was over the transmission. These engines breather so well, and move a lot of air so a larger T4 housing is a must IMO. This is based on EBP testing, and not guessing. My customers typically make about 600-650whp (DJ, built motors) on 93 pump gas with these kits. Back in the day race gas was used to get anywhere near 600whp on pump gas.

There is no issues with these low mount kits if it is designed well, especially when it comes to to oil return. There are over 70 of these out there, and they are doing very well, both on the street and on the track. The VHR guys have consistently made around 525whp with the twin scroll kits at around 10psi of boost. The boost/tq/hp curves are identical to the TT kits as well, so there is a big advantage:


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I see...What "efficiency factors are you referring to? More efficient compared to what? Did you do side by side "efficiency" testing? Are we talking the actual turbo used is more "efficient" or the design?
Power/psi, as well as boost curve itself. EBP testing will tell you a lot about the efficiency as well, hence the use of T4 housings instead of the T3's. A true twin scroll design by nature is simply more efficient as well when comparing it to the tangential (top mount) kits or the mid mount kit. This is mostly due to the scavenging effect when using equal length headers, and the VHR cars have those from factory. The distance between manifolds and turbine is much shorter as well, so there is of course more than one thing...but you already know that.



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I see, I agree the APS single turbo kit was the 2nd biggest POS single turbo kit on the market at the time, second only to the Turbonetics at the time. Putting the turbo under the car with a return oil pump was the dumbest design I have ever seen in my life. Not one single automaker puts their turbo in that position, nor does one single real life race team..Just a stupid stupid design due to oil return issues, hitting road debris is also a concern.. Now if were talking APS TT, I made over 740 Dyno dynamics WHP on my kit back in 2007-2008. AS far as making power, the bigger,more efficient turbo you use the easier it becomes to make power..The guys that want to make serious power dont give a crap about ease of install, they would just do some off the wall custom set up and make 1300-1800 whp like Vinny Ten did back in 2006-2007.

So how do you combat the oiling issue on your kit? Cause the oil needs to get back to the motor, excessive oiling was causing the APS kits to smoke bad..
There is nothing wrong with a low mount kit if proper components are used, this is especially true when it comes to the oil return system. So I only use the Exa pumps for this:

http://turbowerx.com/Scavenge_Pumps/.../Exa-Pump.html

On top of that there is a reservoir that bolts up to the turbo oil drain to act like an oil pan. There is also a simple mechanical check valve on the turbo oil inlet to prevent any feed line draining in to the turbo once the engine is shut off. This ensures that there is never any smoking, since there is no oil in the centre section when the car is shut off, so it can't leak past the seals. I have had many APS ST customer switch to this oil feed/return design and they all love it, since the car never smokes again.

As for power, the mid mount kit can use a 76mm (PTE 7675 T4 .96 a/r) turbo as there is enough room under the car. So with the availability of E85, 740whp on a DD, and low 9's is not a big deal . I should have the results of that build soon.

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wow, you made 70 of these kits yourself already or you send them out to be made?Cause thats a ton of work..
All done in house by me, where I have full control of QC

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Do you happen to know some of the average 1/4 mile times of the kit? Or anyone that is running road course with them?

You do nice welding and fab work.You should design a serious TT kit for the 370Z.
Sorry, I don't have any 1/4 mile times...but I know that there are a few customer out there using this kit on the road course, and drag strip.

There is already a nice TT kit for the VHR's out there, the Fast Intentions twin kit, and I don't want to compete with them. I can hardly keep up with demand for these kits

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You should do a nice custom one off twin kit for your own car. I was about at the limit of my off the shelf APS TT Extreme kit back then, and you are correct about the T3-T4 flanges and lack of dual equal length headers, those cast log manifolds just sucked... I couldnt find anyone around here at the time that had the proper skill to do a nice kit for me, otherwise I would have done it and been in the low 8's by now. But I since switched over to American classic muscle.
The twin scroll kit works very well, so I have no desire to build a TT kit.
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How do you know I have no experience installing a turbo kit or 2? And I love the Emoticon...Encouraging me to commit suicide, really nice... All from one comment that it looks like a pain in the *** to install. All turbo kits are pains in the asses to install on the Z platform, and Im sure this one is the easiest as you guys say. But There is a big difference between an exhaust install and a single turbo install of any manufacturer, but you with all you already knew that right? I was just saying that the analogy was a bit off..
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LOL! I guess you don't realize you just said that to a my350z OG with a new account. That's Julian (former owner of MRC). While he may not have any experience with the BP kit, he has more VQ and FI experience than anybody else in this thread. He was building legit 500+whp Z's (anybody remember r0mey and doug?) and running 10's with his own Z before most of you joined the forum.
Regardless his post is noobish...
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Cause Im a noob...
that's how it appeared to be, so spare me the elite douchery

BP didn't just pop up yesterday, and if you were that ddeep in the game before you left the VQ scene you shouldn't have 21 questions about how a kit is setup.



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You really think I have legitimate questions? LOL You really dont know me do you..lol
No brosif...I'm saying you shouldn't have no quesions...
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Should NOT have NO questions?? Im not sure that even makes sense as a sentence.

You seem to be here to defend your sponsor in both threads, and you seem to be taking a CYBER BULLY tactic about it, so Ill let you think you have some power in life and leave it be. God help yall if I ever get back in the Z car game....But I really would not bother, the good ol days are gone and the 350Z has joined the same owner circle as the Honda civic hatchback..LOL

Back in the days people spent 30K on the car and 30K on a nice TT build, but it seems those days are long gone and everyone who could afford that, went out and bought a GTR. So Ill let yall think yall exclusive and **** with yer fancy Z cars..
Back in the day 30k on the car then because lack of knowledge gave you 30k! Sounds about right man?

I spent 45k on my Z and if you where around I'd probably hand you 30k!

I'm defending folks "IN" the community. So GTFO!
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Some of the message delivery can be toned down..but either way... those "In" the community deserve to know an accurate message, not a marketing message disguised as t3chnical....

Many members from back in the day still "in" community that have been here a while with knowledge with information o aggressive Fi builds point to a lot of misinforming and inaccurate posts by several new "in" members.... its like back in the 2006 misinformation
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