Bike Guys . . . .help

NA350Z · 07-03-2008, 12:59 PM

Hey guys, I know this is going to sound like a real tool-ish thing to ask but a couple of friends of mine got into a heated debate yesterday and it was over pride.

Basically, I have a friend that doesnt believe there are cars faster than bikes regardless of what. We all know there are. My other friend has an R32 GTR that will be going to the shop for power upgrades and to be completed by summer of next year.

Basically they have a bet for next summer, my friend with the GTR wants to know what he has to do to beat a GSXR 750 with power commander and full exhaust. The race is supposed to be something like several runs from 30 mph - 150 mph and several 1/4 mile runs. I told him it'd be have to be crazy. He doesnt care though, he'll do whatever it takes. The guy's got $$$ he has an E60 M5, the R32 is his toy. While it seems like $$ is not an object, it is, he doesnt want to squander it either. I know its possible, Im thinking something along the lines of 700-800 WHP, what do you guys think.

Alex chime in.

therock2689 · 07-03-2008, 01:35 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA

There are cars faster then bikes. But then again, the bike is only as good as teh driver/rider.

RxZ · 07-03-2008, 03:44 PM

I really think he should concentrate on building the car that will make him happy, not beat his friend on a bike at a track. I just don't see him being happy with the car after that happens, unless it is built for his tastes first, and it just happens that he can beat his friend.

BurnMac42 · 07-03-2008, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by therock2689

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA

There are cars faster then bikes. But then again, the bike is only as good as teh driver/rider.

I WANT!

Pinky Demon · 07-03-2008, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurnMac42

I WANT!

ni$mo350 · 07-03-2008, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NA350Z

Hey guys, I know this is going to sound like a real tool-ish thing to ask but a couple of friends of mine got into a heated debate yesterday and it was over pride.

Basically, I have a friend that doesnt believe there are cars faster than bikes regardless of what. We all know there are. My other friend has an R32 GTR that will be going to the shop for power upgrades and to be completed by summer of next year.

Basically they have a bet for next summer, my friend with the GTR wants to know what he has to do to beat a GSXR 750 with power commander and full exhaust. The race is supposed to be something like several runs from 30 mph - 150 mph and several 1/4 mile runs. I told him it'd be have to be crazy. He doesnt care though, he'll do whatever it takes. The guy's got $$$ he has an E60 M5, the R32 is his toy. While it seems like $$ is not an object, it is, he doesnt want to squander it either. I know its possible, Im thinking something along the lines of 700-800 WHP, what do you guys think.

Alex chime in.

How is building a dream car to insane hp just to prove a guy on a bike wrong not squandering money? Tell him to build an all around nice quick R32 and beat his friend by making him jealous. If your friend has that big of little man syndrome tell him to go buy a 911 turbo squash him that way Just my $.02

Low J. · 07-03-2008, 06:39 PM

If you're talking 1/4 mile then there are VERY few cars that could beat a Gixxer 750 and even fewer that could beat a 1000. These bikes do 1/4 mile times in the 9's right off the showroom floor. A Bugatti Veyron for example does the 1/4 mile in just under 11 seconds and it's the fastest production car there is. Basically, your friend has no hope of beating that bike unless the car is so modified that it's barely streetworthy.

Motorcycle power/weight ratio ownz all.....

ni$mo350 · 07-03-2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low J.

If you're talking 1/4 mile then there are VERY few cars that could beat a Gixxer 750 and even fewer that could beat a 1000. These bikes do 1/4 mile times in the 9's right off the showroom floor. A Bugatti Veyron for example does the 1/4 mile in just under 11 seconds and it's the fastest production car there is. Basically, your friend has no hope of beating that bike unless the car is so modified that it's barely streetworthy.

Motorcycle power/weight ratio ownz all.....

Very true unless his friends a fata$$

Nitrouz · 07-03-2008, 09:14 PM

I can pull on a 750 from about a 60mph roll on.......but anything lower than that, the bike would eat me and spit me back out and swallow me again...

Even with the GTR's AWD...like Low J. said.....you just can't beat the hp/weight of the bikes......the only way is to pack on a lot of power and run from a high speed... Can't really paper-race this one tho. They'll really have to run to find out.

Alberto · 07-05-2008, 08:54 AM

Everybody online is an awesome driver and rider. Most riders cannot pull magazine times of the pros down the 1320, much different from the car world where times are easily beaten.

From a dig and a low mph roll the bike has an advantage. Ive NEVER lost a race to a 600 or 750cc bike from a roll.

eagletanggreen · 07-05-2008, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alberto

Everybody online is an awesome driver and rider. Most riders cannot pull magazine times of the pros down the 1320, much different from the car world where times are easily beaten.

From a dig and a low mph roll the bike has an advantage. Ive NEVER lost a race to a 600 or 750cc bike from a roll.

+1

I even beat a couple of 954 (CBR's) with my car.

jeffie7 · 07-05-2008, 01:34 PM

In the end cars will always be faster on the track then bikes. Why? because they have more rubber.
Too bad I'm talking about legit super cars. Your friend might have a chance if the GSX-R750 is an older model. However if its a newer model. I doubt he'll have a chance.

newer 750s make as much power as the early 2000s liter bike.

zand02max · 07-05-2008, 01:43 PM

Anyone want to race me on my R-1?

High 9's, low 10's all day long!

cuco · 07-05-2008, 01:49 PM

there is no point on trying to race two completely different things. a bike will always make more power at a cheaper price. take the R1 above as an example. trow a full exhaust, PC, geared sprocket, and you have a monster bike, trow some NO2 and its faster than almost all cars at a cheaper price... like someone said build a cars that makes you happy...thats my two cents

therock2689 · 07-05-2008, 02:30 PM

But yes, as said above. On the same track, a car will win. Just take the Z for an example for contact patch. Just in one rear tire, you have more contact patch then most bike have total. So i decent track car will have 3-4 times more contact patch. that can make a huge difference.
But i think it is easier to drive a car fast then a bike fast. The bike seems to take more skill and focus. Not saying racing a car is easy either.

98BirdLS1 · 07-05-2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zand02max

Anyone want to race me on my R-1?

High 9's, low 10's all day long!

Let's see your timeslips! Just because a professional rider can do low 10s/high 9's doesn't mean you can get anywhere close. Driver difference is way more involved on a bike than when in a car.

If you want to drag race, by a Busa or ZX-14, you ride a supersport for a reason, use it for its purpose.

Luke

03Zilverstone · 07-05-2008, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by therock2689

But yes, as said above. On the same track, a car will win. Just take the Z for an example for contact patch. Just in one rear tire, you have more contact patch then most bike have total. So i decent track car will have 3-4 times more contact patch. that can make a huge difference.
But i think it is easier to drive a car fast then a bike fast. The bike seems to take more skill and focus. Not saying racing a car is easy either.

If you have the bike setup correctly and some good sticky tires a bike, with a good rider, will handle just as good as 90% of the cars out there. There's more to the story than contact patch.

03Zilverstone · 07-05-2008, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98BirdLS1

Let's see your timeslips! Just because a professional rider can do low 10s/high 9's doesn't mean you can get anywhere close. Driver difference is way more involved on a bike than when in a car.

If you want to drag race, by a Busa or ZX-14, you ride a supersport for a reason, use it for its purpose.

Luke

A bikes purpose is for what the rider decides to use it for. If someone wants to use a GS500 for a dragbike they have as much right to as any 'busa owner.

zand02max · 07-05-2008, 05:14 PM

nbdyfcnsqnc · 07-05-2008, 08:00 PM

It's kind of stupid to argue about this when jets are totally faster than bikes and cars.

07-03-2008, 12:59 PM	#1
NA350Z Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Posts: 2,829 iTrader: (1)	Bike Guys . . . .help Hey guys, I know this is going to sound like a real tool-ish thing to ask but a couple of friends of mine got into a heated debate yesterday and it was over pride. Basically, I have a friend that doesnt believe there are cars faster than bikes regardless of what. We all know there are. My other friend has an R32 GTR that will be going to the shop for power upgrades and to be completed by summer of next year. Basically they have a bet for next summer, my friend with the GTR wants to know what he has to do to beat a GSXR 750 with power commander and full exhaust. The race is supposed to be something like several runs from 30 mph - 150 mph and several 1/4 mile runs. I told him it'd be have to be crazy. He doesnt care though, he'll do whatever it takes. The guy's got $$$ he has an E60 M5, the R32 is his toy. While it seems like $$ is not an object, it is, he doesnt want to squander it either. I know its possible, Im thinking something along the lines of 700-800 WHP, what do you guys think. Alex chime in. __________________ RAYS Lexion / ARC / Espelir / TOYO/ Veilside / Injen / GReddy / Motordyne / Unorthodox Racing / Intense Motorsports / 263 RWHP @ MRC Motorsports

07-03-2008, 06:39 PM	#7
Low J. Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: N.C. Posts: 9,336 iTrader: (0)	If you're talking 1/4 mile then there are VERY few cars that could beat a Gixxer 750 and even fewer that could beat a 1000. These bikes do 1/4 mile times in the 9's right off the showroom floor. A Bugatti Veyron for example does the 1/4 mile in just under 11 seconds and it's the fastest production car there is. Basically, your friend has no hope of beating that bike unless the car is so modified that it's barely streetworthy. Motorcycle power/weight ratio ownz all..... __________________ '08 VW R32 \| '08 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro S-Line

07-03-2008, 09:14 PM	#9
Nitrouz GTR Admin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Coast Posts: 6,734 iTrader: (27)	I can pull on a 750 from about a 60mph roll on.......but anything lower than that, the bike would eat me and spit me back out and swallow me again... Even with the GTR's AWD...like Low J. said.....you just can't beat the hp/weight of the bikes......the only way is to pack on a lot of power and run from a high speed... Can't really paper-race this one tho. They'll really have to run to find out. __________________ 2005 420Ztt 35th Anniversary Superblack - Alyssa - 760rwhp / 713rwtq @ 18psi - GONE, BUT WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED. Evolution 2009 Nissan GTR Solid Red #256 - Arianna Sponsored By: Rays Engineering, mynismo.com, TiTek USA, SP Engineering

07-05-2008, 08:54 AM	#10
Alberto SHIFT_Blah Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 19,735 iTrader: (12)	Everybody online is an awesome driver and rider. Most riders cannot pull magazine times of the pros down the 1320, much different from the car world where times are easily beaten. From a dig and a low mph roll the bike has an advantage. Ive NEVER lost a race to a 600 or 750cc bike from a roll. __________________ 11.1@126mph old set-up low boost Wanna see my Z go 170+mph? Click Me *More Videos* Fixed & Tuned by PFSUPERCARS

07-05-2008, 01:34 PM	#12
jeffie7 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,178 iTrader: (4)	In the end cars will always be faster on the track then bikes. Why? because they have more rubber. Too bad I'm talking about legit super cars. Your friend might have a chance if the GSX-R750 is an older model. However if its a newer model. I doubt he'll have a chance. newer 750s make as much power as the early 2000s liter bike. __________________ DNF fUzZyBuNnYbAlLz iny0mouf Last edited by jeffie7; 07-05-2008 at 01:37 PM.

07-03-2008, 01:35 PM	#2
therock2689 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 130 iTrader: (0)	http://youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA There are cars faster then bikes. But then again, the bike is only as good as teh driver/rider.

07-03-2008, 03:44 PM	#3
RxZ Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Texas (Tyler Area) Posts: 1,973 iTrader: (0)	I really think he should concentrate on building the car that will make him happy, not beat his friend on a bike at a track. I just don't see him being happy with the car after that happens, unless it is built for his tastes first, and it just happens that he can beat his friend.

07-05-2008, 01:43 PM	#13
zand02max My R1 is Faster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,561 iTrader: (16)	Anyone want to race me on my R-1? High 9's, low 10's all day long!

07-05-2008, 01:49 PM	#14
cuco Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: santa ana Posts: 24 iTrader: (0)	there is no point on trying to race two completely different things. a bike will always make more power at a cheaper price. take the R1 above as an example. trow a full exhaust, PC, geared sprocket, and you have a monster bike, trow some NO2 and its faster than almost all cars at a cheaper price... like someone said build a cars that makes you happy...thats my two cents

07-05-2008, 02:30 PM	#15
therock2689 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 130 iTrader: (0)	But yes, as said above. On the same track, a car will win. Just take the Z for an example for contact patch. Just in one rear tire, you have more contact patch then most bike have total. So i decent track car will have 3-4 times more contact patch. that can make a huge difference. But i think it is easier to drive a car fast then a bike fast. The bike seems to take more skill and focus. Not saying racing a car is easy either.

07-05-2008, 05:14 PM	#19
zand02max My R1 is Faster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,561 iTrader: (16)

07-05-2008, 08:00 PM	#20
nbdyfcnsqnc Super Moderator MY350Z.COM Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 23,701 iTrader: (0)	It's kind of stupid to argue about this when jets are totally faster than bikes and cars.