Rossi & Stoner

35TH ANY · 07-21-2008, 07:16 AM

Anyone else enjoy watching those 2 exchange passes at Laguna Secca yesterday as much as I did?

Alberto · 07-21-2008, 07:32 AM

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TheBigLebowski4 · 07-21-2008, 09:29 AM

It was sick madness! The whole race was awesome. Back and forth, non stop 2 position passes. Crazy!

Road Warrior · 07-21-2008, 11:34 AM

announcers were even saying that this was the best GP racing of the year...i am going next year.

saberphx · 07-21-2008, 11:41 AM

It was an awesome race.

mw9 · 07-21-2008, 11:58 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiEJzgv0lzg

Noc748 · 07-21-2008, 12:01 PM

Im a big Duc fan and Duc rider. I really love the fact that Stoner brought Ducati a world championship title home last year and all. But man he is a little b*tch. Rossi really pushed him hard and made the race VERY interesting to watch. The best race of the season by far. But Stoner can not take losing at all.

Rossi went to shake his hand after the race and Stoner kept on sucking his water bottle and b*tched and moaned that "THATS NOT HOW YOU RACE!" and blah blah. Then he was complaining to the BBC anchor how rossi was riding him WAY too hard. He's starting to get on my nerves.

Great race though.

Road Warrior · 07-21-2008, 01:00 PM

it was dice and slice there for a while...both making unbelievable passes.

i actually thought rossi did the cleaner passing though...so don't know why stoner would be complaining. not shaking hands is bs

Noc748 · 07-21-2008, 01:31 PM

I agree, I think rossi did do the cleaner passing. But I think stoner was mostly complaining about the fact that every opportunity he saw to pass Rossi, Rossi shut him down. Albeit defensively or just trying to hold his line. Stoner was riding way too hard, trying to pass him at every opportunity instead of waiting for the right moment. I think he saw that Rossi was going to be a problem 2 laps in and started to lose his cool. So I dont think the passing was hard at all, but stoner was making it harder than it had to be.

Supposedly he was also blaming Rossi for braking VERY early in a few corners, kinda brake checking him, and messing up his rhythm. Eventually causing him to bin it, which supposedly he took the blame for that. At least he manned up to one thing.

Road Warrior · 07-21-2008, 01:59 PM

during the telecast they had a throttle meter and braking meter and you could clearly see rossi braking longer before entering the corners...whereas stoner was braking really late before entering the turn. i thought this was just their riding style differences.

based on what noc748 stated about the early braking by rossi actually makes sense now.

these two had different lines on almost every corner. seemed like rossi had the better setup in the corners and the duc had better power on the straight aways.

excellent racing...one of the best races i have seen in a while for sure

Noc748 · 07-21-2008, 04:35 PM

Rossi definitely a better rider than Stoner, IMO. His technique equals that of any great rider/driver. He brakes carefully, makes a great line and exits out with smooth throttle input. He's always very calm and focused no matter what the scenario, unlike Stoner on the other hand.

Stoner is still good, better than any normal guy on a bike, but his riding style is different whether he is either dominating or losing. If he's dominating and has the track to himself, he rides more relaxed, picks better lines and is less frantic on the controls. But when he's pushed, he loses his cool VERY fast and it his downfall, as we all saw yesterday. He was flustered that Rossi was keeping pace and he wanted to use the Duc's power and electronics to do the work. He got cocky from his impressive practice sessions, had the pole by a good number. His mind was focused on just make a good start off the line and hold the position until the race was over.

IMHO, i think Casey is getting too used the Duc's power and electronics this year and he's concentrating more on using the power & elec's to his advantage than riding cleanly with good form and smart race strategy.

zcaveman69 · 07-21-2008, 05:05 PM

It was a pretty awesome race, nice to see Stoner push Rossi, but he has to understand, Rossi is the phuckin man and not gonna be intimidated by a 22 year old kid, going to be an interesting last 6 races......

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Zmazing03 · 07-21-2008, 08:05 PM

Wow. Got a little dirty there on the first lap in the YouTube video. That could have ended very badly. Hell of a show though! I totally forgot this was on and missed it.

vegaseric · 07-21-2008, 09:20 PM

The pass that Rossi made in the Corkscrew was absolutely incredible. I have no idea how he stayed up, other than the fact that he is one of the greatest riders ever.

buzzdsm · 07-22-2008, 04:52 AM

Stoner is on a faster bike. Rossi had to do whatever he could to stay in front.

Jason333 · 07-22-2008, 08:00 AM

zcaveman69 · 07-22-2008, 08:56 AM

Wallpaper

nicoG35 · 07-22-2008, 11:05 AM

Damn that pic makes you want to sh*t a brick if it were any other rider off the street.

Being that both riders seemed to be pushing the other is there some sort of racing ethic in which another racer shouldn't change up his racing style in order to win. I follow up on watching but i am not to keen of the regulation. If Stoner is being pushed by another rider then shouldn't he be that much more aggressive in order to stay in front then to complain about it?

zcaveman69 · 07-22-2008, 11:44 AM

Theres definately ethics, but at the motogp level, it's- this is how many laps, there's the finish line, and the thing on your right is the throttle. Period. If you were to act like that at a trackday, you'd get pummeled by other riders, but you aren't making any money, no trophy's, we all have to be at work on monday. There is a basic rule on passing that follows all, it's your responsibility to make a safe pass, Rossi and stoner were going at it so fierce however, the rules/etiquette pretty much flew out the window a few laps before. I really thought at some point they were going to take each other out, which would have been an extremely terrible scenario for both, Pedrosa would have been the only one to win out on that.

Awesome racing

Philthy · 07-22-2008, 12:09 PM

Rossi was just fantastic!

07-21-2008, 07:16 AM	#1
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07-21-2008, 11:34 AM	#4
Road Warrior Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: cali Posts: 2,181 iTrader: (2)	announcers were even saying that this was the best GP racing of the year...i am going next year.

07-21-2008, 12:01 PM	#7
Noc748 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CT Posts: 93 iTrader: (0)	Im a big Duc fan and Duc rider. I really love the fact that Stoner brought Ducati a world championship title home last year and all. But man he is a little btch. Rossi really pushed him hard and made the race VERY interesting to watch. The best race of the season by far. But Stoner can not take losing at all. Rossi went to shake his hand after the race and Stoner kept on sucking his water bottle and btched and moaned that "THATS NOT HOW YOU RACE!" and blah blah. Then he was complaining to the BBC anchor how rossi was riding him WAY too hard. He's starting to get on my nerves. Great race though. __________________ NISMO #1152 Nogaro Red Performance: HKS Hi-Power True Dual, BERK HFC's, Nismo intakes

07-21-2008, 01:00 PM	#8
Road Warrior Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: cali Posts: 2,181 iTrader: (2)	it was dice and slice there for a while...both making unbelievable passes. i actually thought rossi did the cleaner passing though...so don't know why stoner would be complaining. not shaking hands is bs

07-21-2008, 01:31 PM	#9
Noc748 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CT Posts: 93 iTrader: (0)	I agree, I think rossi did do the cleaner passing. But I think stoner was mostly complaining about the fact that every opportunity he saw to pass Rossi, Rossi shut him down. Albeit defensively or just trying to hold his line. Stoner was riding way too hard, trying to pass him at every opportunity instead of waiting for the right moment. I think he saw that Rossi was going to be a problem 2 laps in and started to lose his cool. So I dont think the passing was hard at all, but stoner was making it harder than it had to be. Supposedly he was also blaming Rossi for braking VERY early in a few corners, kinda brake checking him, and messing up his rhythm. Eventually causing him to bin it, which supposedly he took the blame for that. At least he manned up to one thing. __________________ NISMO #1152 Nogaro Red Performance: HKS Hi-Power True Dual, BERK HFC's, Nismo intakes

07-21-2008, 01:59 PM	#10
Road Warrior Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: cali Posts: 2,181 iTrader: (2)	during the telecast they had a throttle meter and braking meter and you could clearly see rossi braking longer before entering the corners...whereas stoner was braking really late before entering the turn. i thought this was just their riding style differences. based on what noc748 stated about the early braking by rossi actually makes sense now. these two had different lines on almost every corner. seemed like rossi had the better setup in the corners and the duc had better power on the straight aways. excellent racing...one of the best races i have seen in a while for sure Last edited by Road Warrior; 07-21-2008 at 03:24 PM.

07-21-2008, 04:35 PM	#11
Noc748 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CT Posts: 93 iTrader: (0)	Rossi definitely a better rider than Stoner, IMO. His technique equals that of any great rider/driver. He brakes carefully, makes a great line and exits out with smooth throttle input. He's always very calm and focused no matter what the scenario, unlike Stoner on the other hand. Stoner is still good, better than any normal guy on a bike, but his riding style is different whether he is either dominating or losing. If he's dominating and has the track to himself, he rides more relaxed, picks better lines and is less frantic on the controls. But when he's pushed, he loses his cool VERY fast and it his downfall, as we all saw yesterday. He was flustered that Rossi was keeping pace and he wanted to use the Duc's power and electronics to do the work. He got cocky from his impressive practice sessions, had the pole by a good number. His mind was focused on just make a good start off the line and hold the position until the race was over. IMHO, i think Casey is getting too used the Duc's power and electronics this year and he's concentrating more on using the power & elec's to his advantage than riding cleanly with good form and smart race strategy. __________________ NISMO #1152 Nogaro Red Performance: HKS Hi-Power True Dual, BERK HFC's, Nismo intakes

07-21-2008, 05:05 PM	#12
zcaveman69 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: StL Posts: 180 iTrader: (0)	It was a pretty awesome race, nice to see Stoner push Rossi, but he has to understand, Rossi is the phuckin man and not gonna be intimidated by a 22 year old kid, going to be an interesting last 6 races...... Btw, I have 2 paddock penthouse tickets to Indy Gp, with hotel reserved for months

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07-21-2008, 09:20 PM	#14
vegaseric Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,212 iTrader: (0)	The pass that Rossi made in the Corkscrew was absolutely incredible. I have no idea how he stayed up, other than the fact that he is one of the greatest riders ever. __________________ 04 G35 Coupe 6MT - no mods worth mentioning

07-22-2008, 04:52 AM	#15
buzzdsm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,471 iTrader: (0)	Stoner is on a faster bike. Rossi had to do whatever he could to stay in front.

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07-22-2008, 11:05 AM	#18
nicoG35 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 158 iTrader: (0)	Damn that pic makes you want to sh*t a brick if it were any other rider off the street. Being that both riders seemed to be pushing the other is there some sort of racing ethic in which another racer shouldn't change up his racing style in order to win. I follow up on watching but i am not to keen of the regulation. If Stoner is being pushed by another rider then shouldn't he be that much more aggressive in order to stay in front then to complain about it? __________________ Yeah Him... That Guy/05 G35 WHITE, 04 GMC Yukon, and K6 Silver and white GSXR600 SOLD

07-22-2008, 11:44 AM	#19
zcaveman69 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: StL Posts: 180 iTrader: (0)	Theres definately ethics, but at the motogp level, it's- this is how many laps, there's the finish line, and the thing on your right is the throttle. Period. If you were to act like that at a trackday, you'd get pummeled by other riders, but you aren't making any money, no trophy's, we all have to be at work on monday. There is a basic rule on passing that follows all, it's your responsibility to make a safe pass, Rossi and stoner were going at it so fierce however, the rules/etiquette pretty much flew out the window a few laps before. I really thought at some point they were going to take each other out, which would have been an extremely terrible scenario for both, Pedrosa would have been the only one to win out on that. Awesome racing

07-22-2008, 12:09 PM	#20
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