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08-29-2003, 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by daking350
I run High 12's in my Z with a 70-80 shot of Nitrous on Drag radials. I am 250lbs which would bring the total weight to around 4000lbs (thats the car and me).
It takes alot of skill to get the high 12's out of it, one bad launch and its 13.3-13.5's if My 60 foot is less than 2.00 then its 12.6-12.9's. now heres the disturbing part....My cost to do 12's with Juice was around $2000 with all the bolt ons (installed myself)
To do 12's on a N/A Z....Probably $6000-9000 on motor work and alot of weight reduction and "SLICKS"(a must)
You be the judge of what is cost effective..
I run High 12's in my Z with a 70-80 shot of Nitrous on Drag radials. I am 250lbs which would bring the total weight to around 4000lbs (thats the car and me).
It takes alot of skill to get the high 12's out of it, one bad launch and its 13.3-13.5's if My 60 foot is less than 2.00 then its 12.6-12.9's. now heres the disturbing part....My cost to do 12's with Juice was around $2000 with all the bolt ons (installed myself)
To do 12's on a N/A Z....Probably $6000-9000 on motor work and alot of weight reduction and "SLICKS"(a must)
You be the judge of what is cost effective..
maybe 3500-3600 but i doubt anywhere near 4000...
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Originally posted by outcast
you should have weighed you car at englishtown, i highly doubt its 4000 pounds maybe 3500-3600 but i doubt anywhere near 4000...
you should have weighed you car at englishtown, i highly doubt its 4000 pounds
maybe 3500-3600 but i doubt anywhere near 4000...
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08-30-2003, 03:36 PM
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You're insane
Originally posted by johnsZ
a follow up...
I was reviewing some power/torque/weight relationships that were published a few years ago.
For a car weighing about 2250 lbs, to get to 12 seconds you need about 465 HP approximately (this is at the rear wheels), assuming you have good traction, and not spinning the tires too much. at 3300 pounds, you need close to 575HP (I could not find the torque values (sorry), but they will be within 50-75 ft-lbs of the horsepower magnitude). I agree with the possibility of a blown engine or nitrous getting the HP up high enough, but the thread was started talking about relatively simple modifications, I think.
The best I have done on a small block Chevy is a bit over 425HP out of a 350inch engine, without going to really major changes. One of these days I will try Nitrous....
a follow up...
I was reviewing some power/torque/weight relationships that were published a few years ago.
For a car weighing about 2250 lbs, to get to 12 seconds you need about 465 HP approximately (this is at the rear wheels), assuming you have good traction, and not spinning the tires too much. at 3300 pounds, you need close to 575HP (I could not find the torque values (sorry), but they will be within 50-75 ft-lbs of the horsepower magnitude). I agree with the possibility of a blown engine or nitrous getting the HP up high enough, but the thread was started talking about relatively simple modifications, I think.
The best I have done on a small block Chevy is a bit over 425HP out of a 350inch engine, without going to really major changes. One of these days I will try Nitrous....
I also think you are crazy.
A Porsche 911 Turbo makes 415hp at the crank. and 415 tourque at crank. The car weighs 3,395 lbs. and it can do the 0-60mph in only 3.6 seconds. It does the 1/4 mile in only 11.9 seconds. Those times are for a bone stock car.
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see people like to quote peak numbers and these models are typically developed from older muscle car scenerios it's the area below the curve that makes a car get down the track and to give an example my car probablly makes 240-50 whp and 215 lb.ft of torque and weighs 3700+lbs w/driver ,but i make alot of my power for a long time 7200 rpms with a flat torque curve and hp that climbs almost all the way to the top
08-30-2003, 04:56 PM
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Re: You're insane
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I also think you are crazy.
A Porsche 911 Turbo makes 415hp at the crank. and 415 tourque at crank. The car weighs 3,395 lbs. and it can do the 0-60mph in only 3.6 seconds. It does the 1/4 mile in only 11.9 seconds. Those times are for a bone stock car.
I also think you are crazy.
A Porsche 911 Turbo makes 415hp at the crank. and 415 tourque at crank. The car weighs 3,395 lbs. and it can do the 0-60mph in only 3.6 seconds. It does the 1/4 mile in only 11.9 seconds. Those times are for a bone stock car.
08-30-2003, 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by typeR
4000 you want 4000 ill show you 4000 ...my car is 3750 with driver FWD open diff and on 26lb stock 17s with toyo T1-S went 13.7 with a 2.0 60 ' i have this with very basic bolt ons except adding a stroked bttom end up from 3.2 liters to 3.5 ...since then ive add rear adj. shocks to minimize weight transfer (koni yellow) light weight wheels 18lbs..lower temp Tstat and fan switch(reducing head temps) ,next are light weight crank pulley,gapped stepped plugs ,grounding kit, limited slip possibly final drive,and a piggy back ecu allowing some fuel managment,rpm/fuelcut limit removed allowing for 5-700 more revs and bring down the vtec engagment point 500 and i believe very low 13's are possible...ya am i telling you this? if my heavy *** acura can do it, a Z should
4000 you want 4000 ill show you 4000 ...my car is 3750 with driver FWD open diff and on 26lb stock 17s with toyo T1-S went 13.7 with a 2.0 60 ' i have this with very basic bolt ons except adding a stroked bttom end up from 3.2 liters to 3.5 ...since then ive add rear adj. shocks to minimize weight transfer (koni yellow) light weight wheels 18lbs..lower temp Tstat and fan switch(reducing head temps) ,next are light weight crank pulley,gapped stepped plugs ,grounding kit, limited slip possibly final drive,and a piggy back ecu allowing some fuel managment,rpm/fuelcut limit removed allowing for 5-700 more revs and bring down the vtec engagment point 500 and i believe very low 13's are possible...ya am i telling you this? if my heavy *** acura can do it, a Z should
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Originally posted by outcast
what the hell does this have to do with me tellin him i doubt his z weighs 4000#'s?, and your car is'nt 4000#'s either
what the hell does this have to do with me tellin him i doubt his z weighs 4000#'s?, and your car is'nt 4000#'s either
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08-31-2003, 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by typeR
what i was saying was the Z's not even close to 4K like you said more like 3400 and at 3750 well thats getting close ...and the rest was directed at the general subject of ...yes the Z can go 12's NA with some work
what i was saying was the Z's not even close to 4K like you said more like 3400 and at 3750 well thats getting close ...and the rest was directed at the general subject of ...yes the Z can go 12's NA with some work
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Originally posted by outcast
you should have weighed you car at englishtown, i highly doubt its 4000 pounds maybe 3500-3600 but i doubt anywhere near 4000...
you should have weighed you car at englishtown, i highly doubt its 4000 pounds
maybe 3500-3600 but i doubt anywhere near 4000...
Look on the inside of your doorjamb where the VIN is..Vehicle weight on mine 3850lbs....+ me@250lbs = 4100lbs...
08-31-2003, 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by typeR
what i was saying was the Z's not even close to 4K like you said more like 3400 and at 3750 well thats getting close ...and the rest was directed at the general subject of ...yes the Z can go 12's NA with some work
what i was saying was the Z's not even close to 4K like you said more like 3400 and at 3750 well thats getting close ...and the rest was directed at the general subject of ...yes the Z can go 12's NA with some work
I think with
Headers..$800-$2500
Intake..$250
Cat pipes..$400
Exhaust..$750-$1150
ECU....$500-$1600
Cams...$1750-$2700
Slicks...$1000 (with rims)
You may hit 13.3-13.6
But look at the cost!!!people dont realize how much $$$ hitting 12's can cost...Thats a total of around $5000-6000 for N/A low 13 second car.
Now lets talk forced induction...
Zex 100hp nitrous kit...$600
Drag radials...$500(on stock rims)
Low 13 second car..
Ati procharger...$5500 = 1000 installl
Mid 12 second car on only the procharger!!!!!Now add the Same mods as listed on the N/A car and your in the 11's...Cost around $13000...
N/A 12 second car using bolt ons..NOT POSSIBLE...JMO
08-31-2003, 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by daking350
Alot of people open their mouths before they get their facts straight. every one out there with a Z open your drivers door and look at the sticker where it lists your VIN# and production date you will see a GVW or "curb weight" that is what the vehicle weighs without any thing or one in it...All Z' are Aprox 3,750 lbs depending on the model...Mine is 3850 with options and like I said my big *** is 250lbs...so that comes out to over 4000lbs..Now if you think bolting on some mufflers and intakes will get you into the 12's on a "completely streetable everyday" Z then I will run any one of you for pinkslips...the Z is a great car and has potential BUT I will say it again without forced induction or MAJOR internal engine modifications costing some serious $$$ you will not get into the 12's with a Z...There is only so much power you can get out of a 3.5 v6 without juicing or Force feeding it...and you will have to rip everything out of the car to save weight and completely rebuild the engine so that it is no longer STREETABLE....
I think with
Headers..$800-$2500
Intake..$250
Cat pipes..$400
Exhaust..$750-$1150
ECU....$500-$1600
Cams...$1750-$2700
Slicks...$1000 (with rims)
You may hit 13.3-13.6
But look at the cost!!!people dont realize how much $$$ hitting 12's can cost...Thats a total of around $5000-6000 for N/A low 13 second car.
Now lets talk forced induction...
Zex 100hp nitrous kit...$600
Drag radials...$500(on stock rims)
Low 13 second car..
Ati procharger...$5500 = 1000 installl
Mid 12 second car on only the procharger!!!!!Now add the Same mods as listed on the N/A car and your in the 11's...Cost around $13000...
N/A 12 second car using bolt ons..NOT POSSIBLE...JMO
Alot of people open their mouths before they get their facts straight. every one out there with a Z open your drivers door and look at the sticker where it lists your VIN# and production date you will see a GVW or "curb weight" that is what the vehicle weighs without any thing or one in it...All Z' are Aprox 3,750 lbs depending on the model...Mine is 3850 with options and like I said my big *** is 250lbs...so that comes out to over 4000lbs..Now if you think bolting on some mufflers and intakes will get you into the 12's on a "completely streetable everyday" Z then I will run any one of you for pinkslips...the Z is a great car and has potential BUT I will say it again without forced induction or MAJOR internal engine modifications costing some serious $$$ you will not get into the 12's with a Z...There is only so much power you can get out of a 3.5 v6 without juicing or Force feeding it...and you will have to rip everything out of the car to save weight and completely rebuild the engine so that it is no longer STREETABLE....
I think with
Headers..$800-$2500
Intake..$250
Cat pipes..$400
Exhaust..$750-$1150
ECU....$500-$1600
Cams...$1750-$2700
Slicks...$1000 (with rims)
You may hit 13.3-13.6
But look at the cost!!!people dont realize how much $$$ hitting 12's can cost...Thats a total of around $5000-6000 for N/A low 13 second car.
Now lets talk forced induction...
Zex 100hp nitrous kit...$600
Drag radials...$500(on stock rims)
Low 13 second car..
Ati procharger...$5500 = 1000 installl
Mid 12 second car on only the procharger!!!!!Now add the Same mods as listed on the N/A car and your in the 11's...Cost around $13000...
N/A 12 second car using bolt ons..NOT POSSIBLE...JMO
acctually it's you that doesnt have a clue thats what your cars max weight should be with passengers
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you better look up the curb weight that sticker has to do with payload+vehicle weight
if thats the case...everyone that has said a z is faster than a stang gt is full of ****....with only a couple of boltons i am almost there with a full weight vert plus a 220lb driver...stangs that weigh in the 3300 range w/driver with 250rwhp and 280rwt are hitting high 12's...
bluefish said he was hitting 13.1s i think NA
if thats the case...everyone that has said a z is faster than a stang gt is full of ****....with only a couple of boltons i am almost there with a full weight vert plus a 220lb driver...stangs that weigh in the 3300 range w/driver with 250rwhp and 280rwt are hitting high 12's...
bluefish said he was hitting 13.1s i think NA
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Originally posted by jackie chan
Type R :
are you ever going to come to orlando to get that *** busted?
Type R :
are you ever going to come to orlando to get that *** busted?
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yeah tell me about it......did you check out the vid...i dont sleep....once my car loses some weight and we get some better weather i hope my mph goes up...that 1.7-8 sixty is not helping my mph either
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Originally posted by jackie chan
you better look up the curb weight that sticker has to do with payload+vehicle weight
if thats the case...everyone that has said a z is faster than a stang gt is full of ****....with only a couple of boltons i am almost there with a full weight vert plus a 220lb driver...stangs that weigh in the 3300 range w/driver with 250rwhp and 280rwt are hitting high 12's...
bluefish said he was hitting 13.1s i think NA
you better look up the curb weight that sticker has to do with payload+vehicle weight
if thats the case...everyone that has said a z is faster than a stang gt is full of ****....with only a couple of boltons i am almost there with a full weight vert plus a 220lb driver...stangs that weigh in the 3300 range w/driver with 250rwhp and 280rwt are hitting high 12's...
bluefish said he was hitting 13.1s i think NA
P.S. I was talking to Andrew who drives the Bluefish Car for Smithstown and they run 13.6 i believe on motor only...And just hit 11.7 this past Wed night(on 300hp of JUICE!!!)...Rember that car is completely gutted out..No seats , airbags, carpets , panels,ect ect...so its probably 400-500lbs lighter and has lightweight wheels with slicks and skinnies...it is strictly a race car and has alot more than some simple bolt ons...I was b/s ing with Andy for 5hours while he worked on the car as i waiting to get my car alligned at their shop...So back to my original opinion a Z can not and will not hit 12's Being N/A with simple bolt on mods..It just wont happen and if you believe it then you probably believe that a K&N air filter and a Flowmaster muffler gives you 50 Horsepower and puts you in the 12's!!! It dont work that way...All the "bolt ons" I put on my Z I noticed NADA!!!NOTHING!!!The only "bolt on that I noticed was the JUICE!!!
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Originally posted by daking350
Negative pal..that sticker says GVW not GVW plus PASSENGERS..MY GVW is 3815lbs (the 3850 was a typo) Maybee someone out there can clear this up rather than debate it..
P.S. I was talking to Andrew who drives the Bluefish Car for Smithstown and they run 13.6 i believe on motor only...And just hit 11.7 this past Wed night(on 300hp of JUICE!!!)...Rember that car is completely gutted out..No seats , airbags, carpets , panels,ect ect...so its probably 400-500lbs lighter and has lightweight wheels with slicks and skinnies...it is strictly a race car and has alot more than some simple bolt ons...I was b/s ing with Andy for 5hours while he worked on the car as i waiting to get my car alligned at their shop...So back to my original opinion a Z can not and will not hit 12's Being N/A with simple bolt on mods..It just wont happen and if you believe it then you probably believe that a K&N air filter and a Flowmaster muffler gives you 50 Horsepower and puts you in the 12's!!! It dont work that way...All the "bolt ons" I put on my Z I noticed NADA!!!NOTHING!!!The only "bolt on that I noticed was the JUICE!!!
Negative pal..that sticker says GVW not GVW plus PASSENGERS..MY GVW is 3815lbs (the 3850 was a typo) Maybee someone out there can clear this up rather than debate it..
P.S. I was talking to Andrew who drives the Bluefish Car for Smithstown and they run 13.6 i believe on motor only...And just hit 11.7 this past Wed night(on 300hp of JUICE!!!)...Rember that car is completely gutted out..No seats , airbags, carpets , panels,ect ect...so its probably 400-500lbs lighter and has lightweight wheels with slicks and skinnies...it is strictly a race car and has alot more than some simple bolt ons...I was b/s ing with Andy for 5hours while he worked on the car as i waiting to get my car alligned at their shop...So back to my original opinion a Z can not and will not hit 12's Being N/A with simple bolt on mods..It just wont happen and if you believe it then you probably believe that a K&N air filter and a Flowmaster muffler gives you 50 Horsepower and puts you in the 12's!!! It dont work that way...All the "bolt ons" I put on my Z I noticed NADA!!!NOTHING!!!The only "bolt on that I noticed was the JUICE!!!
now from the mod list you made for a z to do it...how many exhaust systems do you need?
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gross vehicle weight.......Is the maximum recommended weight for a vehicle, including: the weight of the vehicle itself, fuel and other fluids, passengers, and all cargo.
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p.s. by comparing the GT mustang to a Z is like comparing Apples And Oranges. Your car may hit a mid to low 13's with minor bolt ond due to the displacement of your engine and the tourqe..For example you may run 13.6 @99 and a Z may run 13.9@101 look at the 60ft times on a Z and on a Stang...You have more TQ and will run a faster 60 ft most of the time wich will make a big difference at the end of the 1/4 mile...maybe 2 tenths faster on a 60ft might mean 4-5 tenths overall...as far as a Z beating a stock gt, yeah it happens but the race is all won or lost off the line..and as far as you bolting on mods and hitting 12's your engine has more displacement and a mod that may give a Smaller engine 5-8hp might give your larger engine 10-15 hp..not to mention that GT's are known for having restrictive intakes and exhausts to begin with. the Z is tuned to optimal performance out of the box..Why do you think so many companies have had a hard time developing products for the Z that actually make HP over the stock parts???Smaller engines need help in the form of forced induction...I never said a Z CAN'T hit 12's N/A..I just said its not worth it!!!and EXTREMELY hard and expensive...The Z just Cries out "TURBO!!!!PLEASE!!!"...once again JMO I may be wrong and never claimed to know everything but I know enought to hit 12's in MY Z..
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Originally posted by jackie chan
i kinda have some experience with cars since i have been selling them for the past 6 years and i told you what that sticker represents.....as far as drag racing goes i think i understand that too... now from the mod list you made for a z to do it...how many exhaust systems do you need?
i kinda have some experience with cars since i have been selling them for the past 6 years and i told you what that sticker represents.....as far as drag racing goes i think i understand that too...
now from the mod list you made for a z to do it...how many exhaust systems do you need?
As far as the gvw ? If you sell cars then I will take your word for it..After all Car sales men DONT LIE!!!
Just kidding with you..