Moderators can you ..............

turismo · 07-05-2008, 10:35 PM

Require your full name, address and telephone number for people selling parts. Especially for people with less than 1000 post and or less than 10 buyer/seller feedback rating?

It seems more and more people are becoming victims of scams. I know on the supraforums, they require you to have certain number of posts, been registered for a certain number of years, phone #, etc.......

surfcity40 · 07-05-2008, 10:36 PM

wrong forum (feedback, suggestions, questions) but certainly an interesting idea.

Hraesvelg · 07-05-2008, 10:37 PM

Sounds like a good idea.

turismo · 07-05-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by surfcity40

wrong forum (feedback, suggestions, questions) but certainly an interesting idea.

I didnt know where else to put it

turismo · 07-05-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

Sounds like a good idea.

Well what had happen wuz

sk26dett · 07-05-2008, 10:41 PM

I agree, i hate scammers with a passion.

3hree5ive0ero · 07-05-2008, 11:33 PM

I actually thought about asking the admins to consider this option when this scamming thing became much more frequent, but I scratched that idea.

You have to assume there's a very high probability that many of these requirements could be faked. How are we to know if their address is truly what they're claiming it to be? We cannot confirm and even if we could, we have a very high volume of members (new and existing). We (I'm guessing) aren't going to send confirmation letters, texts, etc, so I don't see this working out too well.

Also, another problem is that we already have existing and current users on the forum. Are we supposed to enforce this rule to everybody or just those that are joining now? If it's the latter, who's the say that the former users aren't going to scam anybody? It's also not fair for the new users, as it assumes they have a higher chance of scamming others than the older, existing users. If it's the former of the two choices, then as I mentioned, there are many obstacles in the way.

turismo · 07-05-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 3hree5ive0ero

I actually thought about asking the admins to consider this option when this scamming thing became much more frequent, but I scratched that idea.

You have to assume there's a very high probability that many of these requirements could be faked. How are we to know if their address is truly what they're claiming it to be? We cannot confirm and even if we could, we have a very high volume of members (new and existing). We (I'm guessing) aren't going to send confirmation letters, texts, etc, so I don't see this working out too well.

Also, another problem is that we already have existing and current users on the forum. Are we supposed to enforce this rule to everybody or just those that are joining now? If it's the latter, who's the say that the former users aren't going to scam anybody? It's also not fair for the new users, as it assumes they have a higher chance of scamming others than the older, existing users. If it's the former of the two choices, then as I mentioned, there are many obstacles in the way.

Yes, but you could limit the frequency of this occurring if you had a telephone number and certain # of post. Someone with a buyer seller feedback with all positives is less of a risk than someone with 0! Im only trying to limit the possibilities of members being scammed. As of now, anyone can register and post an APS twin turbo kit for sale for 3500.

3hree5ive0ero · 07-05-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by turismo

Yes, but you could limit the frequency of this occurring if you had a telephone number and certain # of post. Someone with a buyer seller feedback with all positives is less of a risk than someone with 0! Im only trying to limit the possibilities of members being scammed. As of now, anyone can register and post an APS twin turbo kit for sale for 3500.

Again, how are you going to confirm that information is real?

And in case you didn't know, we already have requirements for somebody to be able to sell in the marketplace (45 days of membership or 300 posts, buy PM, or become a vendor).

Additionally, we explicitly state in our TOU that buyers should purchase/sell at his/her own risk. We are not liable for any scams, mistakes, mishaps, etc. And for the most part, we try not to get too involved into this matter for obvious reasons (i.e., help one member out, then we have to help every single member out). Also, as far as I know, I don't think we can give out personal information (e.g., CC info) nor do the non-IB admins have access to them.

I'm not being indifferent, uncaring, etc. I'm just saying that it's the internet and things are bound to happen. It is the buyer/seller's responsibility to create a safe environment for trade activities. Use common sense and logic and many of these incidents could be prevented.

surfcity40 · 07-06-2008, 12:06 AM

Look, the money in a transaction is sent somewhere. Regardless of whether it is a PO box or not, any address makes the seller apparent. If they scam and steal from the buyer, they can be found as long as there is a good address where the money is sent. Just don't buy from someone who isn't willing to let you know where they are. It ain't rocket science.

surfcity40 · 07-06-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 3hree5ive0ero

And in case you didn't know, we already have requirements for somebody to be able to sell in the marketplace (45 days of membership or 300 posts, buy PM, or become a vendor).

Absolutely, this isn't a my350z issue. It is an intarweb sales issue. You would not believe what craigslist is going through with Nigerians buying motorcycles, renting apartments, etc.

Wired 24/7 · 07-06-2008, 12:57 AM

What the OP suggests implies a degree of accountability on behalf of the forum to ensure people don't get scammed. Since we cannot be held responsible for ensuring a smooth / scam-free transaction the forum higher-ups are unlikely to enforce something like this.

ultimately it's a legal issue that the forum doesn't want to delve into (and it's been discussed among admins and moderators to what degree we should protect users against scammers... ultimately there is not much we can do)

There are ways to have successful online sales without simply putting all your trust in a seller.

MR_X · 07-06-2008, 07:01 AM

pretty soon we are going to require a full background check with a credit check so you could sell a set of Autozone lug nuts. I know the scamming is getting pretty bad, but I would suggest that you do your part first and check that person out.

vo7848 · 07-06-2008, 07:18 AM

Agreed...

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Originally Posted by Wired 24/7

What the OP suggests implies a degree of accountability on behalf of the forum to ensure people don't get scammed. Since we cannot be held responsible for ensuring a smooth / scam-free transaction the forum higher-ups are unlikely to enforce something like this.

ultimately it's a legal issue that the forum doesn't want to delve into (and it's been discussed among admins and moderators to what degree we should protect users against scammers... ultimately there is not much we can do)

There are ways to have successful online sales without simply putting all your trust in a seller.

Z04 · 07-06-2008, 11:48 AM

no offense to the PM guys/gals, but i feel that is a stupid rule and that it should be the same standard across the board for classified ads. i mean just because they are a PM with 5 posts does not mean they are better or can be more trusted than someone that has been around a while.

Jay'Z · 07-06-2008, 11:55 AM

I didnt know that 45 days/300 posts were required.. that sounds good.. Mods have a point though.. they dont want to be legally held responsible, could cost them..

citymunky · 07-06-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by turismo

Require your full name, address and telephone number for people selling parts. Especially for people with less than 1000 post and or less than 10 buyer/seller feedback rating?

Man, less than 1000 post or 10 iTrader, I guess I would be sh!t out of luck. That's way to stick IMO.

Hraesvelg · 07-06-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay'Z

I didnt know that 45 days/300 posts were required.. that sounds good.. Mods have a point though.. they dont want to be legally held responsible, could cost them..

Who says anything about being legally responsible. Just make the sellers post up or shut up.

mrg1981 · 07-07-2008, 01:18 AM

I think making a good Sticky about how to avoid scams, check out a seller, understanding I Trader ratings and post counts, etc would be good for noobs that typically fall for the scams. Anyone can be scammed, but at least they'd be scammed by someone with a high post count, good I Trader and they'd get their full contact details before the transaction.

O NO · 07-07-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mrg1981

I think making a good Sticky about how to avoid scams, check out a seller, understanding I Trader ratings and post counts, etc would be good for noobs that typically fall for the scams. Anyone can be scammed, but at least they'd be scammed by someone with a high post count, good I Trader and they'd get their full contact details before the transaction.

Tag, you're it.

Great idea.
Why don't you make a post here how to avoid scams. We can see if it covers all the bases. If not it can be mahsahged and tweaked before it goes up in lights.

Might want to use this across the other sites too.
Anything to protect against the scammers.
Hate getting those 'I've been scammed' PM's.

07-05-2008, 10:35 PM	#1
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07-05-2008, 10:37 PM	#3
Hraesvelg Got Uranium? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: gay ass nuclear plant Posts: 31,193 iTrader: (1)	Sounds like a good idea. __________________ 19 year old who makes mad loot with "events" wrecks Z doing "25" MPH... Lulz involved... http://my350z.com/forum/southern-cal...ml#post6612375

07-05-2008, 10:41 PM	#6
sk26dett Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: G-ville/Pembroke pines, FL Posts: 757 iTrader: (14)	I agree, i hate scammers with a passion. __________________ 03 Super Black 6MT _GO GATORS!

07-05-2008, 11:33 PM	#7
3hree5ive0ero - - A d m i n i s t r a t o r - - Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Dallas Posts: 7,475 iTrader: (28)	I actually thought about asking the admins to consider this option when this scamming thing became much more frequent, but I scratched that idea. You have to assume there's a very high probability that many of these requirements could be faked. How are we to know if their address is truly what they're claiming it to be? We cannot confirm and even if we could, we have a very high volume of members (new and existing). We (I'm guessing) aren't going to send confirmation letters, texts, etc, so I don't see this working out too well. Also, another problem is that we already have existing and current users on the forum. Are we supposed to enforce this rule to everybody or just those that are joining now? If it's the latter, who's the say that the former users aren't going to scam anybody? It's also not fair for the new users, as it assumes they have a higher chance of scamming others than the older, existing users. If it's the former of the two choices, then as I mentioned, there are many obstacles in the way. __________________ -\|\|- 2003 DB 350Z Touring 6MT -\|\|- 252.75whp 233.16wtq (5/26/07) -\|\|- -\|\|- 13.212@104.75 mph (4/6/07 - N/A) -\|\|- 12.520@110.17 mph (11/16/08 - 75 shot of N2O) -\|\|- Lists of fastest 1/4 mile drivers/times on the forum. How do you compare? Last edited by 3hree5ive0ero; 07-05-2008 at 11:36 PM.

07-06-2008, 12:57 AM	#12
Wired 24/7 SuperMod j/k :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Closed Space Posts: 16,465 iTrader: (2)	What the OP suggests implies a degree of accountability on behalf of the forum to ensure people don't get scammed. Since we cannot be held responsible for ensuring a smooth / scam-free transaction the forum higher-ups are unlikely to enforce something like this. ultimately it's a legal issue that the forum doesn't want to delve into (and it's been discussed among admins and moderators to what degree we should protect users against scammers... ultimately there is not much we can do) There are ways to have successful online sales without simply putting all your trust in a seller. __________________ 05 SB Touring 6MT - Hotchkis - Volk SF Challenge - Stoptech Stage 2 - BFG Tires - Project Kics Neo-Chro Lugs Motordyne MREV2 + 5/16" spacer - JWT Popcharger - Kinetix HFC - Greddy Emanage Ultimate - Cipher New to my350z? Have a question? Please read this thread first: Top 100 Questions Thread (CLICK) (UPDATED 4/5/08!!) SEARCH= *SERIOUS BUSINESS:* http://www.my350z.com/forum/search.php

07-05-2008, 10:36 PM	#2
surfcity40 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 4,294 iTrader: (0)	wrong forum (feedback, suggestions, questions) but certainly an interesting idea.

07-06-2008, 12:06 AM	#10
surfcity40 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 4,294 iTrader: (0)	Look, the money in a transaction is sent somewhere. Regardless of whether it is a PO box or not, any address makes the seller apparent. If they scam and steal from the buyer, they can be found as long as there is a good address where the money is sent. Just don't buy from someone who isn't willing to let you know where they are. It ain't rocket science.

07-06-2008, 07:01 AM	#13
MR_X Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Norfolk, Va. Posts: 3,305 iTrader: (5)	pretty soon we are going to require a full background check with a credit check so you could sell a set of Autozone lug nuts. I know the scamming is getting pretty bad, but I would suggest that you do your part first and check that person out.

07-06-2008, 11:48 AM	#15
Z04 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Clarksville, Tennessee Posts: 5,047 iTrader: (11)	no offense to the PM guys/gals, but i feel that is a stupid rule and that it should be the same standard across the board for classified ads. i mean just because they are a PM with 5 posts does not mean they are better or can be more trusted than someone that has been around a while. __________________ "There's a sucker born every minute" P. T. Barnum

07-06-2008, 11:55 AM	#16
Jay'Z Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USASOC Posts: 6,242 iTrader: (69)	I didnt know that 45 days/300 posts were required.. that sounds good.. Mods have a point though.. they dont want to be legally held responsible, could cost them.. __________________ Nismo V1/Nismo Clutch & Flywheel/Nismo T-Stat/UR HFCs/Carbonetics LSD/APS TT/Osiris Beta Tuned/Cipher/DPS Ground Kit/Optima Red Top/PWR Radiator/Defi Boost & Water & Oil Press/RC 750cc/CJM Fuel Return/Kinetix V+/Zen BOV/Hotchkis TVS/GT Spec Tie Bars/CTD CF Interior/Audiobahn Subs/Alpine HU/DB CF Hood/Cobra Misano L CF Seats/19" Volk SF Winning/Solid VQ Mounts/Fluidampr Harmonic Damper/CP Pistons 9.2:1/Carillo Rods/HKS HG/JWT C2 Cams/Built Longblock

07-07-2008, 01:18 AM	#19
mrg1981 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 943 iTrader: (2)	I think making a good Sticky about how to avoid scams, check out a seller, understanding I Trader ratings and post counts, etc would be good for noobs that typically fall for the scams. Anyone can be scammed, but at least they'd be scammed by someone with a high post count, good I Trader and they'd get their full contact details before the transaction. __________________ Greddy TT, Built Longblock, Built 5AT, Pro-EFI, Etc, Etc, Etc 525WHP @ 14 PSI, high boost tune coming soon.