Chrysler can't give away cars these days

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by Chris @ Migliore

^let him continue to think hes doing the environment a favor. Guy will be shocked when his battery DOES die and he has to pay out the butt to replace it.

for all the prius owners:

http://greenmesh.com/2007/03/unravel...r_vs_prius.php

GOOD LORD! It's ridiculous how many times this stupid CNW and Sudbury misinformation comes up. It's the story that REFUSES to DIE!

I don't have time to go into all of this again. It's total BS. See http://my350z.com/forum/other-vehicl...ml#post6072956 amongst my many other posts on this.

JAMEZ@CiNcity: The battery is fully recyclable and is warranted to 10 year/150K miles in CA and other CARB states.

349K miles (http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse4.htm) on a previous gen Prius on the original battery before someone took totaled his car isn't bad.

To top it off, the idiot CCSU college student "threw the paper together in 1/2 hour of being bored. I was just having fun lol" per http://www.mercurycougar.net/forums/...45&postcount=8. He even published a (not very good) retraction/admission that the CNW data is questionable at http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=203 in which he claims a Tesla Roadster is $30K.

He can't even get his facts straight. That calls into question his opinions and assertions.

[teh_ginger]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

GOOD LORD! It's ridiculous how many times this stupid CNW and Sudbury misinformation comes up. It's the story that REFUSES to DIE!

I don't have time to go into all of this again. It's total BS. See http://my350z.com/forum/other-vehicl...ml#post6072956 amongst my many other posts on this.

JAMEZ@CiNcity: The battery is fully recyclable and is warranted to 10 year/150K miles in CA and other CARB states.

349K miles (http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse4.htm) on a previous gen Prius on the original battery before someone took totaled his car isn't bad.

To top it off, the idiot CCSU college student "threw the paper together in 1/2 hour of being bored. I was just having fun lol" per http://www.mercurycougar.net/forums/...45&postcount=8. He even published a (not very good) retraction/admission that the CNW data is questionable at http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=203 in which he claims a Tesla Roadster is $30K.

He can't even get his facts straight. That calls into question his opinions and assertions.

Bottom line is, the other guy was kidding, and you need to lighten up a little. Besides, diesel pwns hybrid.

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by teh_ginger

Bottom line is, the other guy was kidding, and you need to lighten up a little. Besides, diesel pwns hybrid.

I know the other guy was kidding. I'm just upset because the stupid CNW crap refuses to die.

It should be MANDATORY that anyone who wishes to cite that CNW "junk science" and retracted Sudbury story that everything seems to lead back to be forced to read the retraction and do a little simple math. There'd be no more citation of the junk.

I'm tired of seeing these claims of 'environmental harm/impact' of NiMH batteries when it again all leads back to the above debunked junk science and retracted story. Even CNW's junk science (in the rebuttal at http://www.thecarconnection.com/arti...oding-the-myth) says "later says that it calculates the Prius’s battery as costing $93 in energy to recycle."

As for your latter point... err, hybrids aren't tied to any one fuel source (gasoline). Diesel hybrids exist.

Also, go look at the price of diesel in the US and look at the emission ratings (air pollution scores) of so-called "clean diesels". None come even close to meeting the AT-PZEV rating of the Prius, Altima Hybrid and the PZEV ratings of many other non-hybrid gasoline powered cars.

[Cux350z]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

GOOD LORD! It's ridiculous how many times this stupid CNW and Sudbury misinformation comes up. It's the story that REFUSES to DIE!

I don't have time to go into all of this again. It's total BS. See http://my350z.com/forum/other-vehicl...ml#post6072956 amongst my many other posts on this.

JAMEZ@CiNcity: The battery is fully recyclable and is warranted to 10 year/150K miles in CA and other CARB states.

349K miles (http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse4.htm) on a previous gen Prius on the original battery before someone took totaled his car isn't bad.

To top it off, the idiot CCSU college student "threw the paper together in 1/2 hour of being bored. I was just having fun lol" per http://www.mercurycougar.net/forums/...45&postcount=8. He even published a (not very good) retraction/admission that the CNW data is questionable at http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=203 in which he claims a Tesla Roadster is $30K.

He can't even get his facts straight. That calls into question his opinions and assertions.

damn, you hate that article.

Not saying the article is worthless or holds its weight, but there is some truth to the issue here. ALL of these hybrids will have dead batteries one day, thats the nature of the battery.
Then, if it does last 300k its out of warranty and who has to pay for the new battery?
also, who pays the recycling fee, i know i cover it on oil and tires, probably batteries too.

too many reasons for me to not own a hybrid.

To the guy with the 300k on the clock, seems like its mostly highway miles.....least amount of strain on the battery.

[Blk03G35]

Originally Posted by Chris @ Migliore

To the guy with the 300k on the clock, seems like its mostly highway miles.....least amount of strain on the battery.

Do you really know how far 300K miles is? It's driving from LA to NYC 107 times.

[twin001]

Originally Posted by Blk03G35

I saw a Prius going for 32K



They have brand new 06's going for 15K off sticker

Forget the Prius crap already....

I can't believe nobody picked up on the "brand new 06" statement. That's an 08 in the pic, you can tell by the wheels. I would hope that dealership hasn't had an 06 sitting on their showroom floor for 2+ years!

[CLETUS]

Originally Posted by twin001

Forget the Prius crap already....

I can't believe nobody picked up on the "brand new 06" statement. That's an 08 in the pic, you can tell by the wheels. I would hope that dealership hasn't had an 06 sitting on their showroom floor for 2+ years!

That is an '06, actually, you can tell by the hood. Those wheels were optional in 06.

Here's one just like it (better color):
http://www.vipertraderonline.com/details.php?id=2884

[DaytonaRoadster]

Originally Posted by teh_ginger

Besides, diesel pwns hybrid.

Fcuk that, you seen the price of diesel?

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by Chris @ Migliore

damn, you hate that article.

Not saying the article is worthless or holds its weight, but there is some truth to the issue here. ALL of these hybrids will have dead batteries one day, thats the nature of the battery.
Then, if it does last 300k its out of warranty and who has to pay for the new battery?
also, who pays the recycling fee, i know i cover it on oil and tires, probably batteries too.

too many reasons for me to not own a hybrid.

To the guy with the 300k on the clock, seems like its mostly highway miles.....least amount of strain on the battery.

The "article" is absolutely WORTHLESS. It was poorly researched (more like not at all) with all sorts of incorrect information and assertions and thrown together in half an hour. It utilized junk science from moron/shill CNW/Art Spinella which has been thoroughly debunked and a now retracted story regarding Sudbury. That's garbage in, garbage out.

Look at http://wallofcheese.blogspot.com/200...mental_03.html and http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-ma...tml#post390594 to go point by point through everything he got wrong. I love how a 26 mpg Aveo is within "spitting distance" of 46 mpg Prius.

Yes. Someone would need to pay for a replacement (not necessarily a new battery) when it wears out. As many priuschat would say, for an old car, it'd be more logical to buy an old one out of a wrecked Prius for cheap and drive it until that goes kaput.

I've seen references (wish I could find it now) on priuschat to a business which specializes in refurbishing the battery packs by replacing the bad/weak modules.

Toyota pays for the recycling and in fact they have a $200 bounty on the HV battery. See http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases...T2004062345528.

Be sure to look at my other post with references to the 2 160K mile Priuses and ones with 248K and 206K miles.

Being so worried about battery replacement isn't particularly logical, esp. given its long warranty. It's just a bunch of FUD. It's an excuse akin to not buying a car w/a very expensive part that might fail, namely the transmission. In most cases, those aren't warranted beyond 5 years/60K miles and can cost thousands to replace. And yes, they do fail.