Official: I Hate The Toyota Prius Thread

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by hpka365

I with you OP. I hate them too. ...
I have no respect for it as a car either. it fails in every single category including fuel economy. The things they have to go through to make the POS completely cancels out the fact that it uses a small amount of fuel. If any of us drove it we'd probably get horrible gas mileage from us trying to make it go fast all the time.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...ient-cars-206/ - It just so happens to be the most currently efficient sold vehicle that Consumer Reports has tested.

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/car...ar-values.html
"Best Overall: The Prius Touring came in with the best bucks-per-bang cost thanks to one of the lower owner-cost estimates in the list—$26,250 over five years—and a relatively high road-test score of 80 points out of 100. (The base Prius earned 68 points.) The Prius Touring doesn't have the least expensive sticker price in its class, but its excellent fuel economy of 42 mpg overall and solid resale value help give it a low owner cost that nearly matches the less expensive Honda Civic EX. With a higher overall test score than the Civic, the Prius stands out as the Best Value."

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...-406/overview/
"For the fifth year in a row, the gas/electric Toyota Prius hybrid is the top car for owner satisfaction. That's the news from our latest Annual Car Owner Satisfaction Survey, conducted by the Consumer Reports National Research Center. Ninety-three percent of Prius owners who responded said they would definitely buy or lease one again. The Prius was closely followed by the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (92 percent) and the new Mini Cooper Clubman (91 percent)."

FWIW, my lifetime average after ~36K miles from manual calculations is 46 mpg.

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by ShadowHunter66

This is true.. but once they hit 68+ they're getting horrible gas mileage, thats when the gas actually starts being used.

Gas mileage gets worse as speed goes up on any vehicle. A big contributor is drag.

FWIW, I do ~68 - 75 mph on the highway portions of my commute in my Prius and as I stated, my lifetime average is ~46 mpg. So much for "horrible gas mileage".

Take a look at http://priuschat.com/dev/forums/priu...tml#post376759.

[tranceformer95]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

Gas mileage gets worse as speed goes up on any vehicle. A big contributor is drag.

FWIW, I do ~68 - 75 mph on the highway portions of my commute in my Prius and as I stated, my lifetime average is ~46 mpg. So much for "horrible gas mileage".

Take a look at http://priuschat.com/dev/forums/priu...tml#post376759.

I guess there really is a forum for everything.

[RED RIDER]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

You know what's dangerous? Large monstrosity class SUVs which have terrible handling, terrible braking and high propensity to roll over combined w/their high curb weight == high kinetic energy. When they hit something else --> lots of damage and potential for injury to the other side.

They also do a hell of a LOT worse than the Prius in braking and accident avoidance tests. See http://my350z.com/forum/other-vehicl...ml#post6667611.

Using the same table and stats as I used there before, for accident avoidance, the Prius Touring was tied w/12 other vehicles for 55th place out of 292 (notable ties include BMW 328i, Honda Accord V6, Cadillac CTS V6, VW Jetta TDI) w/max accident avoidance speed of 53.5 mph. Base was tied with 25 other vehicles for 170th place out of 292 at 50.5 mph.

The range was 59.5 mph (Porsche 911) down to 44 mph (Tahoe, Ford F-250, Dodge RAM 2500, GMC Yukon and Hummer H2).

For 60-0 mph braking, the Prius Touring was tied w/11 other vehicles for 72nd place out of 292 at 133 feet. The base model was tied w/9 others for 210th place at 143 feet. Range was 112 feet (Porsche Boxster) to 176 feet (Dodge Ram 2500).

See the post I linked to for how well monstrosity SUVs did.

As for Top Gear, anyone on here knows that you can't depend on them for any factual information, both on the Z and the Prius.

As for "skinny "eco friendly" tires", the ones ship on my Prius are identical and size and model to the ones on the 06 Corolla CE: 185/65R15 Goodyear Integrity. Toyota stopped including low rolling resistance tires w/the current gen. Admittedly, the tires aren't very good and even Prius enthusiasts will tell you the same.

"LARGE MONSTROSITY CLASS SUV'S????? OMG you really are a whack ass californian huh?
You mean like this one?
What do you think the mpg is in this truck?

[Lento]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

You know what's dangerous? Large monstrosity class SUVs which have terrible handling, terrible braking and high propensity to roll over combined w/their high curb weight == high kinetic energy. When they hit something else --> lots of damage and potential for injury to the other side.

They also do a hell of a LOT worse than the Prius in braking and accident avoidance tests. See http://my350z.com/forum/other-vehicl...ml#post6667611.

Using the same table and stats as I used there before, for accident avoidance, the Prius Touring was tied w/12 other vehicles for 55th place out of 292 (notable ties include BMW 328i, Honda Accord V6, Cadillac CTS V6, VW Jetta TDI) w/max accident avoidance speed of 53.5 mph. Base was tied with 25 other vehicles for 170th place out of 292 at 50.5 mph.

The range was 59.5 mph (Porsche 911) down to 44 mph (Tahoe, Ford F-250, Dodge RAM 2500, GMC Yukon and Hummer H2).

For 60-0 mph braking, the Prius Touring was tied w/11 other vehicles for 72nd place out of 292 at 133 feet. The base model was tied w/9 others for 210th place at 143 feet. Range was 112 feet (Porsche Boxster) to 176 feet (Dodge Ram 2500).

See the post I linked to for how well monstrosity SUVs did.

As for Top Gear, anyone on here knows that you can't depend on them for any factual information, both on the Z and the Prius.

As for "skinny "eco friendly" tires", the ones ship on my Prius are identical and size and model to the ones on the 06 Corolla CE: 185/65R15 Goodyear Integrity. Toyota stopped including low rolling resistance tires w/the current gen. Admittedly, the tires aren't very good and even Prius enthusiasts will tell you the same.

Do you eat Tofu too? Better watch out!

[Steven622]

If he isn't from Cali, he is probably a Granola eating hippy from Boulder.


Damn hippys.

[skooly]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

Sigh... so much hate.

+1

I hate slow drivers too and for the record, I always stay w/the flow of traffic and yield to people going faster.

I see plenty of slow poke drivers on the road and most of them aren't driving Priuses.


Ha! I was wondering if someone was going to mention me.

I just wanted to give you some props before you came in here and owned all these fools. You know your ****.

[RedBullRR]

Havent read the entire thread but figured I would add my .02 on this thread with some information I recently found out on the Prius. Did you know the amount of toxins created when making the lithium batteries for this car is equivalent to the pollution a regular car would do in its life time?

When you look at it like that its actually pointless to by this car for its purpose of being GREEN? I can see to save money on gas but def not GREEN.

[Lento]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

I see plenty of slow poke drivers on the road and most of them aren't driving Priuses.

O but they are

[Glasgow Smile]

*reads first sticky thread*

[caly2121]

Originally Posted by RedBullRR

Havent read the entire thread but figured I would add my .02 on this thread with some information I recently found out on the Prius. Did you know the amount of toxins created when making the lithium batteries for this car is equivalent to the pollution a regular car would do in its life time?

When you look at it like that its actually pointless to by this car for its purpose of being GREEN? I can see to save money on gas but def not GREEN.

Actually last I saw that fact/statistic, they were comparing it to the Hummer H2 stating that you were creating same amount of pollution as them.

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by RedBullRR

Havent read the entire thread but figured I would add my .02 on this thread with some information I recently found out on the Prius. Did you know the amount of toxins created when making the lithium batteries for this car is equivalent to the pollution a regular car would do in its life time?

When you look at it like that its actually pointless to by this car for its purpose of being GREEN? I can see to save money on gas but def not GREEN.

Gee it's quite funny that you mention lithium batteries since the Prius contains none. The Prius uses NiMH batteries.

Irrespective of that, your claims are TOTALLY FALSE regarding the batteries, regardless of chemistry..

See my responses in places such as http://www.my350z.com/forum/other-ve...the-prius.html and take a look at http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-hy...ding-myth.html, http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-hy...tml#post541556 and http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/k_forum/tenji/pdf/pgr_e.pdf.

Originally Posted by caly2121

Actually last I saw that fact/statistic, they were comparing it to the Hummer H2 stating that you were creating same amount of pollution as them.

Complete fiction again. See above. Where are the ads and press releases from GM touting this?

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by RED RIDER

"LARGE MONSTROSITY CLASS SUV'S????? OMG you really are a whack ass californian huh?
You mean like this one?
What do you think the mpg is in this truck?

Yes. Any full-sized SUV with curb weight of 5000+ lbs. is a MONSTROSITY. That includes Tahoes, Suburbans, Sequoias, Expeditions, Navigators and their ilk.

The Excretion that posted above is no longer sold and was FRICKING EXEMPT from fuel economy testing and counting against Ford's CAFE numbers because its GVWR is >8500 lbs. The monstrosity Hummer H2 falls in this bucket too, except that it doesn't count towards GM's numbers.

The majority of these monstrosity SUV drivers don't "need" them and drive them solo and/or w/minimal passengers and cargo and w/o towing anything.

High curb weight? Other drivers be damned when it comes to multicar accidents. Let's just maim and kill them. Pollution and global warming? Bah! Who cares that per https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/us.html that "the US is the largest single emitter of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuel". Having a vehicle that can better avoid an accident thru better handling and braking? Bah!

Dependence on foreign oil? Bah! Who cares that we import more than 60% of our oil and that we consume ~25% of the world's daily oil production when we're only ~4.5% of the world's population. It's just great knowing that the world's largest proven oil reserves are in places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, Venezuela (Hugo Chavez loves us so much) and Russia. (see http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/ind...?view=reserves) It's great to know there are oil choke points like the Strait of Hormuz which nut jobs like Iranian President Ahmadinejad could shut down by shooting at oil tankers going through there. It's great to know that we'll be competing for oil in the future w/China and India that have >1 billion people each.

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by Lento

O but they are

Funny, I passed a ton of slow poke drivers today. Not a single one was a Prius. The overwhelming majority of slow drivers (I'd guess 90+%) I see aren't driving Priuses. They're driving a wide variety of vehicles.

I guess you didn't bother reading the first sticky thread in this forum either.

[Manjot]

nice thread...lol

[RED RIDER]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

Yes. Any full-sized SUV with curb weight of 5000+ lbs. is a MONSTROSITY. That includes Tahoes, Suburbans, Sequoias, Expeditions, Navigators and their ilk.

The Excretion that posted above is no longer sold and was FRICKING EXEMPT from fuel economy testing and counting against Ford's CAFE numbers because its GVWR is >8500 lbs. The monstrosity Hummer H2 falls in this bucket too, except that it doesn't count towards GM's numbers.

The majority of these monstrosity SUV drivers don't "need" them and drive them solo and/or w/minimal passengers and cargo and w/o towing anything.

High curb weight? Other drivers be damned when it comes to multicar accidents. Let's just maim and kill them. Pollution and global warming? Bah! Who cares that per https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/us.html that "the US is the largest single emitter of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuel". Having a vehicle that can better avoid an accident thru better handling and braking? Bah!

Dependence on foreign oil? Bah! Who cares that we import more than 60% of our oil and that we consume ~25% of the world's daily oil production when we're only ~4.5% of the world's population. It's just great knowing that the world's largest proven oil reserves are in places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, Venezuela (Hugo Chavez loves us so much) and Russia. (see http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/ind...?view=reserves) It's great to know there are oil choke points like the Strait of Hormuz which nut jobs like Iranian President Ahmadinejad could shut down by shooting at oil tankers going through there. It's great to know that we'll be competing for oil in the future w/China and India that have >1 billion people each.

Just so you know its 22 MPG on the highway..which is freaking fantastic for an 8500lb MONSTROSITY..as far as other drivers be damned?...DAMN RIGHT..when it comes to protecting me, wife and 4 daughters, I know we're safe in that big ass truck...btw that mileage is loaded with all of us and everything they can carry for a 2 week vacation and 44 gallons of diesel..

as far as global warming, the sky is falling etc etc..its all BULLSHIT! if nutjobs like yourself and the rest of the tree hugging liberal ******s would let us drill for our own oil..we wouldn't have to worry about the middle east..yep keep on aborting babies, but by God save the whales and the tadpoles and the (____).....pardon me while I VOMIT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEaH...eature=related

This planet WILL be completely destroyed one day, but NOT at mans hand..when God finally has enough of the crap that is happening on this planet He will take care of it...Read the Bible..it tells how its all going to go down...

[zland]

Originally Posted by RED RIDER

Just so you know its 22 MPG on the highway..which is freaking fantastic for an 8500lb MONSTROSITY..as far as other drivers be damned?...DAMN RIGHT..when it comes to protecting me, wife and 4 daughters, I know we're safe in that big ass truck...btw that mileage is loaded with all of us and everything they can carry for a 2 week vacation and 44 gallons of diesel..

as far as global warming, the sky is falling etc etc..its all BULLSHIT! if nutjobs like yourself and the rest of the tree hugging liberal ******s would let us drill for our own oil..we wouldn't have to worry about the middle east..yep keep on aborting babies, but by God save the whales and the tadpoles and the (____).....pardon me while I VOMIT!

This planet WILL be completely destroyed one day, but NOT at mans hand..when God finally has enough of the crap that is happening on this planet He will take care of it...Read the Bible..it tells how its all going to go down...

Wow, speaking of wackjobs.....

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by RED RIDER

Just so you know its 22 MPG on the highway..which is freaking fantastic for an 8500lb MONSTROSITY..as far as other drivers be damned?...DAMN RIGHT..when it comes to protecting me, wife and 4 daughters, I know we're safe in that big ass truck...btw that mileage is loaded with all of us and everything they can carry for a 2 week vacation and 44 gallons of diesel..

Good lord! It's selfish, myopic me me me attitudes like that which are just shameful.

BTW, per http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfa...wable/oil.html, based on what US refineries are producing, a barrel of crude oil produces 20 gallons of gasoline and 7 gallons of diesel. You've consumed as much crude oil as someone getting 7.7 mpg on gasoline. Thanks!

From simple high school physics, kinetic energy = 1/2 * mass * velocity^2. When someone gets hit by another vehicle, which case do you think is worse? The other vehicle weighing a sensible 2700 to 3600 lbs. or a 5000+ lb. monstrosity?

Oh yeah, to top it off, to think you're "protecting" yourself and your occupants, per http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf
"There are exceptions to the general rule that bigger is safer. For example, the driver death rate is higher in midsize sports cars (115 per million) than in mini (107) or small (71) ones.

Another exception is very large 4-wheel-drive SUVs. This group is mostly Ford Excursions, which have a driver death rate of 115 per million — higher than the death rates in large 4-wheel-drive SUVs and higher than in all but 4 of the midsize and small counterparts.

Excursions so dominate the group of very large 4-wheel-drive SUVs that they push upthis group’s average death rate to 76 per million compared with 47 in large counterpart vehicles and 59 in midsize ones. About half of the deaths in 2001-04 model Excursions during 2002-05 occurred in rollover crashes."

From http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/25/car...1025cars.html:
"The Ford Excursion, the now-discontinued gas-guzzling behemoth that was one of the market's biggest and heaviest sport utility vehicles, has been haunted not only by hordes of environmentalists but also by a driver death rate several times higher than many smaller SUV models.

According to federal fatality data, adjusted for registered vehicle years, the Excursion had more than triple the fatality rate of the smaller Expedition and more than double the fatality rate of the midsize Explorer.

Bigger, it seems, is not always safer."

Originally Posted by RED RIDER

as far as global warming, the sky is falling etc etc..its all BULLSHIT! if nutjobs like yourself and the rest of the tree hugging liberal ******s would let us drill for our own oil..we wouldn't have to worry about the middle east..yep keep on aborting babies, but by God save the whales and the tadpoles and the (____).....pardon me while I VOMIT!

Even if global warming due to man made activities was complete bullshit there's the issue of pollutants such as those described on the last page of http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/detailedchart.pdf. Namely, they're compounds that form smog, carcinogens and poisonous gasses. You can lookup how various vehicles rate at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm.

As for letting us drill for our own oil we consume about 20 million barrels of oil per day in the US and import 12 million of them. See http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html. Where are we going to drill in order to get 12 million more barrels a day so that we have 0 net imports?

It certainly isn't ANWR. Per http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicer...r/results.html, oil production would peak at 510K to 1.45 million barrels of oil/day by 2027 or 2028.

Did you notice where the US falls in terms of proven oil reserves? At 21.8 billion/barrels of oil a day, if we were somehow able to extract the 20 million/barrels of oil a day out of the ground and kept our current rate of consumption, that oil would last us 1090 days == <3 years. Nice try.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Saudi_Ar...ackground.html - they have 1/5th of the world's proven reserves
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Iran/Background.html - they have the world's 3rd largest proven oil reserves
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iraq/Full.html - also considered to be tied in having the 3rd largest proven oil reserves

[RED RIDER]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

Good lord! It's selfish, myopic me me me attitudes like that which are just shameful.

BTW, per http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfa...wable/oil.html, based on what US refineries are producing, a barrel of crude oil produces 20 gallons of gasoline and 7 gallons of diesel. You've consumed as much crude oil as someone getting 7.7 mpg on gasoline. Thanks!

From simple high school physics, kinetic energy = 1/2 * mass * velocity^2. When someone gets hit by another vehicle, which case do you think is worse? The other vehicle weighing a sensible 2700 to 3600 lbs. or a 5000+ lb. monstrosity?


Even if global warming due to man made activities was complete bullshit there's the issue of pollutants such as those described on the last page of http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/detailedchart.pdf. Namely, they're compounds that form smog, carcinogens and poisonous gasses. You can lookup how various vehicles rate at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm.

As for letting us drill for our own oil we consume about 20 million barrels of oil per day in the US and import 12 million of them. See http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html. Where are we going to drill in order to get 12 million more barrels a day so that we have 0 net imports?

It certainly isn't ANWR. Per http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicer...r/results.html, oil production would peak at 510K to 1.45 million barrels of oil/day by 2027 or 2028.

Did you notice where the US falls in terms of proven oil reserves? At 21.8 billion/barrels of oil a day, if we were somehow able to extract the 20 million/barrels of oil a day out of the ground and kept our current rate of consumption, that oil would last us 1090 days == <3 years. Nice try.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Saudi_Ar...ackground.html - they have 1/5th of the world's proven reserves
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Iran/Background.html - they have the world's 3rd largest proven oil reserves
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iraq/Full.html - also considered to be tied in having the 3rd largest proven oil reserves

**** you're right..we should just park all our vehicles and start riding horses again..oh but wait..then you would complain about to much methane gas from horse manure and how the rain makes it run off into our streams etc..so we should just walk. I WOULD rather walk than be seen in some pansified bittchass battery car like the priuth.

[Pat1USMC]

Cwerdna, I can't believe you put so much time and effort into your posts. Good on you, but facts will NOT change some people's opinions, no matter how wrong or misinformed they are. They'll just come back will a reply with "pansy" and "bitchass" in it a couple times. Its amazing how angry people get at Priuses. Who cares? Do the drivers really stop you on the road to lecture you about what you're driving? Its like the gaybashers who think all gay guys are going to hit on them and rape them.