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Depending on how you look at it it's either fortunate or unfortunate that we have more people murdered in little old DC that killed fighting the war in Iraq year-after-year ... but the "war" going on in DC, Detroit, Saint Louis, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Houston, and a dozen other cities .... has been going on for decades, has no end in sight, serves a far less noble cause, isn't/is being conducted by non-volunteers, against too many women and children, and is completely and totally being overlooked by the worthless power/money hungry politicians on both sides of the aisle for +35 years that I've been watching and the whole thing gets a pass from both the American people and the press.
Every year we murder about 16,000 Americans ... in the three years of the war we've lost a fifth of that?
Hell, there are ~40,000 traffic deaths on American roads every year.
We lost twice as many Americans on D-Day than the three year long war in Iraq.
We killed 200 times Americans during the Civil War/War of Northern Aggression and +51,000 during one single battle (Gettysburg), +34,000 (Chickamauga), and +30,000 (Chancellorsville). In fact you'd have to go 20 battles down before you find ones with just 3,000 causalities.
In World War II we lost +400,000 servicemen and more than 11,000 civilians in a war that lasted about five years.
We had +55,000 killed in Korea, +58,000 in Viet Nam, +116,000 in WWII, +13,000 in the Mexican/American war ... only the War of 1812 with +2,200 and the Revolutionary wars with +4,400 rate in with our current on-going war.
Perspective.
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Depending on how you look at it it's either fortunate or unfortunate that we have more people murdered in little old DC that killed fighting the war in Iraq year-after-year ... but the "war" going on in DC, Detroit, Saint Louis, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Houston, and a dozen other cities .... has been going on for decades, has no end in sight, serves a far less noble cause, isn't/is being conducted by non-volunteers, against too many women and children, and is completely and totally being overlooked by the worthless power/money hungry politicians on both sides of the aisle for +35 years that I've been watching and the whole thing gets a pass from both the American people and the press.
Every year we murder about 16,000 Americans ... in the three years of the war we've lost a fifth of that?
Hell, there are ~40,000 traffic deaths on American roads every year.
We lost twice as many Americans on D-Day than the three year long war in Iraq.
We killed 200 times Americans during the Civil War/War of Northern Aggression and +51,000 during one single battle (Gettysburg), +34,000 (Chickamauga), and +30,000 (Chancellorsville). In fact you'd have to go 20 battles down before you find ones with just 3,000 causalities.
In World War II we lost +400,000 servicemen and more than 11,000 civilians in a war that lasted about five years.
We had +55,000 killed in Korea, +58,000 in Viet Nam, +116,000 in WWII, +13,000 in the Mexican/American war ... only the War of 1812 with +2,200 and the Revolutionary wars with +4,400 rate in with our current on-going war.
That's 3,000+ American lives that died needlessly. I don't really see anyone shocked by the number of deaths, rather it's the reason (or lack thereof) for them.
"Americans are very frustrated, and they have every right to be. We've wasted a lot of our most precious treasure, which is American lives." - McCain (who later said he meant "sacrificed", same difference, imho).
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That's 3,000+ American lives that died needlessly.
I think the point paul350z was trying to make by putting some perspective on the death toll (or at least what I gathered from his post) is that it is hypocritical to show such outrage about Iraq while 56k+ US citizens die needlessly a year whom did not all volunteer to be put into harms way.
What it really comes down to in my opinion is people are far more willing to show outrage, demonstrate and support a cause when it provides benefits (specifically political benefit here) to when it has very little upside for them.
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By that logic, we can downplay any human tragedy that happens today.
You know only 3,000 people died on 9/11. With "perspective", 9/11 is not that big a deal, I guess.
Only one little girl gets raped and killed and is on every news channel and in every magazine.
I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be that way, nor am I taking sides here. Just like the perspective theme going on.
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not to be mean or seam un patriotic but guess how many innocent ppl have died b/c of those 3,200 soldiers being there in iraq... for what reason again?
not to be mean or seam un patriotic but guess how many innocent ppl have died b/c of those 3,200 soldiers being there in iraq... for what reason again?
I think it takes the fight off US soil and to where the people that want to kill us are.
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I think that's awful!
