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That may work in a state like Ohio. I can't even imagine what would happen if you did this in LA or NY. These cities are too damn congested for this to work. Would you trust people to carry hidden guns in the middle of Manhattan traffic in the summer. I'm not that trusting.
That may work in a state like Ohio. I can't even imagine what would happen if you did this in LA or NY. These cities are too damn congested for this to work. Would you trust people to carry hidden guns in the middle of Manhattan traffic in the summer. I'm not that trusting.
Sometimes I think we should just wipe out large sections of our population and start over. It's as if everybody is ****ing brain dead.
It's not the people carrying licensed and registered hidden hand guns that you should be worrying about!
Those are the people that you thank when they chase the mugger away from you that was carrying a hidden handgun that wasn't licensed because you're too much of a pussy to protect yourself.
Sometimes I think we should just wipe out large sections of our population and start over. It's as if everybody is ****ing brain dead.
It's not the people carrying licensed and registered hidden hand guns that you should be worrying about!
Those are the people that you thank when they chase the mugger away from you that was carrying a hidden handgun that wasn't licensed because you're too much of a pussy to protect yourself.
Agreed 100%. I don't know why people keep thinking that way.
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That may work in a state like Ohio. I can't even imagine what would happen if you did this in LA or NY. These cities are too damn congested for this to work. Would you trust people to carry hidden guns in the middle of Manhattan traffic in the summer. I'm not that trusting.
So how many LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WITH NO FELONYS do you know of who are criminals and do bad things such as get in shoot outs?
Here is a hint: If they are criminals, then they aren't f***ing law abiding and they aren't getting a CCW permit as they can't pass the FBI background check.
Here is a news flash for you. THE CRIMINALS ALREADY CARRY CONCEALED FIREARMS. Notice that both the possession of firearms by felons and carrying concealed without a license are both illegal? Is that stopping the criminals? Oh but it's ok to stop law abiding citizens from having a chance against criminals.
Lastly, all but 7 or 8 states in the US allow CCW permits. And guess what, CALIFORNIA IS ONE OF THE STATES THAT ALLOWS CCW. There are thousands of permits in LA County (not la city though). When was the last time you heard about one of the thousands of people with legal CCW permits in Los Angeles County going on a shooting rampage and getting into a gun fight?
When you spew garbage like the above, what you are really saying is that only criminals should be able to carry guns. Oh sure, you mean well, but the end result of ideology like yours ends up making it so only those who are criminals get to carry concealed.
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I actually don't know one way or the other... on one hand I can see th positives, yet on the other, if so many people have guns at arms length away, would it make sense that you'd have more shootings? IE, how many people have you seen get the crap beat out of them at bars? Now lets say the "beatie" has a gun, are the "beaters" in trouble? Or people that get into those road rage incidents, or the guy with the itchy trigger finger on the subway who is asked, by a bum, if he has a dollar...
obviously if people know that a law like this has passed, more people will buy guns because their always expecting the other guys to have guns...
well, I guess the dumba$$e$ will weed themselves out once a guy they try to beatdown busts a cap in their butt
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Unfortunately my state is one of the states that doesn't allow this. Luckily I've moved to a nicer area, but Milwaukee is getting pretty darn bad. People cutting in front of you and running red lights, bypassing a bunch of cars on the right side at a stop light and then pulling right in front of you to be at the head of the line. Then when you mouth "what the hell" holding your hands up, they smile back and flip you off. And you can't say anything to them, because who knows if they had a gun. I guarantee you if I had a gun in the glove compartment I would have been saying something.
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if so many people have guns at arms length away, would it make sense that you'd have more shootings?
Historical statistics have proven that your fears are unfounded and that the actual results are to the contrary.
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IE, how many people have you seen get the crap beat out of them at bars? Now lets say the "beatie" has a gun, are the "beaters" in trouble?
It is illegal for a CCW permit holder, to CCW his weapon in a bar UNLESS he is there to consume food. So again, your fears are unfounded, as CCWing at a bar is illegal.
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Or people that get into those road rage incidents, or the guy with the itchy trigger finger on the subway who is asked, by a bum, if he has a dollar...
In your first instance, if you'll note that there have been 2 incidents that have been sensationalized in regards to CCW's.
Both of them involve off duty LEO's. In one, the Off duty LEO was the instigator, in the latter, the off duty LEO and a private citizen with CCW. In the later, it is still under court review.
As to the "subway train" incident which happened in Manhattan new york in the 70's, what do you think it means when you get surrounded by 3 guys in on a subway train demanding $5? It means they are going to rob you. But because the defendant was a f***ing idiot, and wouldn't shut the f*** up he got found guilty because he said stupid ****.
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obviously if people know that a law like this has passed, more people will buy guns because their always expecting the other guys to have guns...
Statistics have shown that only time there is an influx in handgun purchases is in states that had otherwise restrictive firearms laws. However the trend dies down in a few months.
Where is the rash of shootouts in Texas and AZ? What about Florida? How often have you heard of shoot outs by law abiding citizens?
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well, I guess the dumba$$e$ will weed themselves out once a guy they try to beatdown busts a cap in their butt
One thing that doesn't get said enough, is that every single mall shooting where the perpetrator has been stopped, has been done by an individual with a legal concealed carry weapon permit.
Also, here in CA, you don't just walk in, get your CCW permit and slap a gun on your hip.
In order to get a CCW permit you have to attend 16 hours of weapons training with a private instructor or 24 hours of P.O.S.T. (Police Officer Standard's Training) in a school classroom (conducted by police academy's or local JC's with LEO programs).
That is the same training that CA LEO's go through to learn to use their firearms.
So in effect, a private citizen with his CCW permit in CCW, is equally as qualified and trained in the use of their handgun as a LEO.
Sometimes I think we should just wipe out large sections of our population and start over. It's as if everybody is ****ing brain dead.
It's not the people carrying licensed and registered hidden hand guns that you should be worrying about!
Those are the people that you thank when they chase the mugger away from you that was carrying a hidden handgun that wasn't licensed because you're too much of a pussy to protect yourself.
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Where is the rash of shootouts in Texas and AZ? What about Florida? How often have you heard of shoot outs by law abiding citizens?
Down here in Southeast AZ, people carry guns on their hips into Walmart and McDonalds. It's fairly common and surprises nobody when they see it. Those locations are safer when there's a responsible gun owner there.
That may work in a state like Ohio. I can't even imagine what would happen if you did this in LA or NY. These cities are too damn congested for this to work. Would you trust people to carry hidden guns in the middle of Manhattan traffic in the summer. I'm not that trusting.
um, i live in Atlanta, we have more smog than LA (we just arent in a bowl like they are) and some of the worst traffic on the planet, and 100+ degree heat with 98%+ humidity...and we've had carry for a while..as a matter of fact, i have my carry permit
Unfortunately my state is one of the states that doesn't allow this. Luckily I've moved to a nicer area, but Milwaukee is getting pretty darn bad. People cutting in front of you and running red lights, bypassing a bunch of cars on the right side at a stop light and then pulling right in front of you to be at the head of the line. Then when you mouth "what the hell" holding your hands up, they smile back and flip you off. And you can't say anything to them, because who knows if they had a gun. I guarantee you if I had a gun in the glove compartment I would have been saying something.
hmm... no offense but honestly, that's not a good reason at all to have a CCW. If you are going to take on the responsibility of packing, then you should know and understand how to avoid situations like the one you described. Not step up your game and further instigate just because you're packing.
This isn't meant to put you on blast, but it's the truth.
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Technically, the 2A says it is good enough reason. Today "good cause" at least in CALI means you meet some specified criteria, such as credible articulable threats, handling of goods in excess of $3500 (cash or jewelry, etc). Jobs in which you enter high crime areas, and a few others.
I know there are about 10 "good causes" but the PD's here will not disclose what their good causes are, you have to "guess" which is a load of sh*t.
Considering it is my constitutional right, I shouldn't even need a "good cause" just show I ain't a felon.
I'll just let one of our founding fathers speak on this
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson
Down here in Southeast AZ, people carry guns on their hips into Walmart and McDonalds. It's fairly common and surprises nobody when they see it. Those locations are safer when there's a responsible gun owner there.
It's like having police without the bill to taxpayers! Awesome. And they're better than police because they have no authority over us. All the benefits, none of the drawbacks.
Concealed carry permits working in Ohio, no OK Corrals here
