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Old 06-10-2008, 05:50 AM   #1
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In an interview, Sheik Ahmad al-Rishawi told The New York Sun that in April he prepared a 47-page study on Afghanistan and its tribes for the deputy chief of mission at the American embassy in Kabul, Christopher Dell. When asked if he would send military advisers to Afghanistan to assist American troops fighting there, he said: “I have no problem with this; if they ask me, I will do it.”


The success of the Anbari tribal rebellion known as the awakening spurred Multinational Forces Iraq to try to emulate the model throughout Iraq, including with the predominately Shiite tribes in the south of the country. Today, the tribe-based militias formed to protect Anbaris from Al Qaeda are forming a political alliance poised to unseat the confessional Sunni parties currently in parliament in the provincial elections scheduled for the fall and the federal ones scheduled for 2009.

“Al Qaeda is an ideology,” Sheik Ahmad said. “We can defeat them inside Iraq and we can defeat them in any country.” The tribal leader arrived in Washington last week. All of his meetings, including an audience with President Bush, have been closed to the public, in part because the Anbari sheiks, while likely to win future electoral contests, are not themselves part of Iraq’s elected government.


Of his meeting with Mr. Bush, Sheik Ahmad said he was impressed. “He is a brave man. He is also a wise man. He is taking care of the country’s future, the United States’ future. He is also taking care of the Iraqi people, the ordinary people in Iraq. He wants to accomplish success in Iraq.”
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it's not terribly hard being a brave person when you are the most secure and unaccessible person in the country with no fear or worry of anything like being drafted or getting shot by some crackhead on the street.
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Bush creates a Muslim anti-terrorist force. Dems were saying that Bush creates more terrorists. Huh!
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it's not terribly hard being a brave person when you are the most secure and unaccessible person in the country with no fear or worry of anything like being drafted or getting shot by some crackhead on the street.
I'd point out to you that the sheik's comment had nothing to do with Bush's own security, but his courage of leadership which makes him brave, but you've have to be savvy to get it.
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Bush creates a Muslim anti-terrorist force. Dems were saying that Bush creates more terrorists. Huh!
Bush doesn't create terrorists specifically. War does. Violent military action in an area, especially when coupled with oppressive economic imbalance, creates terrorists.
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How about just pull out & let them kill each other like they have for 2000+ years & next time they harm an American on USA soil, we just wipe out about 5 million of them. Cheap, effect, & American men & women are not in harms way. That is how you do it....
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Will I get the same positive press if I vow to fight someone who doesn't exist?

I also thought it was a widely held belief that he wasn't in Afghanistan anymore, but that he fled over the mountains to Pakistan.

I'd also like to know if his 47 page report was double-spaced.
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Dems were saying that Bush creates more terrorists. Huh!
They are correct, too. And you are wrong again.

See the National Intelligence Estimate:

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"The war in Iraq has become a primary recruitment vehicle for violent Islamic extremists, motivating a new generation of potential terrorists around the world whose numbers may be increasing faster than the United States and its allies can reduce the threat, U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded.

A 30-page National Intelligence Estimate completed in April cites the "centrality" of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the insurgency that has followed, as the leading inspiration for new Islamic extremist networks and cells that are united by little more than an anti-Western agenda. It concludes that, rather than contributing to eventual victory in the global counterterrorism struggle, the situation in Iraq has worsened the U.S. position, according to officials familiar with the classified document.

"It's a very candid assessment," one intelligence official said yesterday of the estimate, the first formal examination of global terrorist trends written by the National Intelligence Council since the March 2003 invasion. "It's stating the obvious."
Of course, I don't expect you to see the obvious.

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Good idea. We can give them weapons, hope they succeed, and in twenty years hope they haven't become our nation's biggest threat. History repeats itself. I hope we've learned our lesson.
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An enemy doesn't create terrorists...."Terrorism" is a military tactic used in war....in all wars and by all sides. Our terrorism in Iraq was renamed "Shock and Awe". One can't wage a "War on Terror" anymore than one could wage a "War on Tanks". Again, "Terrorism" is a tactical strategy used to frighten an opponent through guerrilla attacks.

That being said, in some areas terrorism is the only strategy available to a side because of the disparity in the amount of conventional weaponry and personnel training between the warring parties. So, saying "What Bush is doing is breeding more terrorists" is really a translation of "What Bush is doing is causing more people to enlist to fight for their perceived cause." The "terrorism" strategy is secondary.
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We will never learn our lesson. Decade after decade we support foreign leaders that will act in our interests not the interests of their own country & then a more radical group takes over. Of course we are considered the bad guy for putting the former leader in power. Look at the last 100 years of history, same thing over and over again.
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So, saying "What Bush is doing is breeding more terrorists" is really a translation of "What Bush is doing is causing more people to enlist to fight for their perceived cause."
And why do you think that nation after nation has a cause to fight against us? Look at the past 100 years all over the world, just not the Middle East. Do you see a pattern yet?
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And why do you think that nation after nation has a cause to fight against us?
Because we tend to act as imperialists and crusaders I suppose. I wasn't making a judgment call, I was defining terrorism because people seem to erroneously equate it with the middle east. Every war in history involves terrorism.
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I'd also like to know if his 47 page report was double-spaced.
I, too, find this to be of utmost importance.
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They are correct, too. And you are wrong again.

See the National Intelligence Estimate:



Of course, I don't expect you to see the obvious.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301130.html
War creates more terrorists just as extermination creates more cockroaches. Of course, I don't expect you to see the obvious.

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An enemy doesn't create terrorists...."Terrorism" is a military tactic used in war....in all wars and by all sides. Our terrorism in Iraq was renamed "Shock and Awe". One can't wage a "War on Terror" anymore than one could wage a "War on Tanks". Again, "Terrorism" is a tactical strategy used to frighten an opponent through guerrilla attacks.

That being said, in some areas terrorism is the only strategy available to a side because of the disparity in the amount of conventional weaponry and personnel training between the warring parties. So, saying "What Bush is doing is breeding more terrorists" is really a translation of "What Bush is doing is causing more people to enlist to fight for their perceived cause." The "terrorism" strategy is secondary.
I think you're getting hung up on definitions of the terrorist (a word which can be used many ways), instead of recognizing its contemporary use, which is to describe Islamofascists and other anti-Westerners.
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They are correct, too. And you are wrong again.

See the National Intelligence Estimate:



Of course, I don't expect you to see the obvious.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301130.html
And I'll also note that your entire quote hinges on the word 'may' - making that entire post - and IMO the entire NIE report - a document of leftist propaganda.

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See the National Intelligence Estimate:
Quit trying to confuse StefanZ's opinion using facts! Didn't you read the first article? Some guy wrote a big report!

Disgruntled soldier's opinion > Big report > National Intelligence Estimate

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Quit trying to confuse StefanZ's opinion using facts! Didn't you read the first article? Some guy wrote a big report!

Disgruntled soldier's opinion > Big report > National Intelligence Estimate

Long ago, I gave up trying to change Stefan's mind or broaden his perspective. He has wild opinions that few share, but he clings to them tenaciously. I do this mostly so other people reading the threads can form their own opinions based on relevant evidence and facts.

Notice how Stefan, when confronted with adverse facts, turtles up into a bunch of jingoistic name-calling. He calls me a socialist, he calls the NIE leftist propaganda, yet he can't refute the conclusions of the report or its significance.
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Quit trying to confuse StefanZ's opinion using facts! Didn't you read the first article? Some guy wrote a big report!

Disgruntled soldier's opinion > Big report > National Intelligence Estimate

You think the full content of the NIE is fact? No propaganda in there?


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