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Old 06-13-2008, 06:34 PM   #1
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"Former Charles Manson follower Susan Atkins, convicted in the 1969 murder of actress Sharon Tate, could soon be released from prison because she is near death, authorities said.
Atkins, 59, is terminally ill and being considered for so-called "compassionate release," state corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said. She gave no details of Atkins' illness but said a doctor had determined she had less than six months to live.
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"Former Charles Manson follower Susan Atkins, convicted in the 1969 murder of actress Sharon Tate, could soon be released from prison because she is near death, authorities said.
Atkins, 59, is terminally ill and being considered for so-called "compassionate release," state corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said. She gave no details of Atkins' illness but said a doctor had determined she had less than six months to live.
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I did a tour of that prison in my first year of college. I met Atkins as we were touring & she was cute at that time. I am sure that now she looks like an old lady and I am 51 years old myself.
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I did a tour of that prison in my first year of college. I met Atkins as we were touring & she was cute at that time. I am sure that now she looks like an old lady and I am 51 years old myself.
Yeah I'm old too and from pictures she was pretty hot when she killed Tate.... But, should she be allowed to go home to die with loved ones? That seems an interesting political question to me. I'd let her do it personally (first to chime in .
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If you cannot say the word: compassion my best bet is that you have no compassion for other humans.
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i don't think she should be allowed to. How long was her sentence for? If a 50 year old man gets 25 years in prison and is about to die while in prison, should he be let out? NO! i don't think exceptions should be made.
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i don't think she should be allowed to. How long was her sentence for? If a 50 year old man gets 25 years in prison and is about to die while in prison, should he be let out? NO! i don't think exceptions should be made.
She has been "eligible" for parole for quite some time but has been turned down each time (the last time in 05). Turning her down had little to do (IMO) with the chances she'd re-offend but was more because her crime was so historically significantly "horrible" to the American psyche.

I think the board might grant this one so she can die with her family.
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if thats the case then i would grant it to her.
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Let her die in prison. Her victims were denied the chance of getting to a ripe old age. No sympathy here.
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Let her die in prison. Her victims were denied the chance of getting to a ripe old age. No sympathy here.
You understand that perception could possibly come back to you, right?

btw, what about empathy instead of sympathy....any of that flailing around in your head?
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You understand that perception could possibly come back to you, right?

btw, what about empathy instead of sympathy....any of that flailing around in your head?
If he doesn't have sympathy for this situation he certainly can't have empathy for it, since empathy is more advanced than sympathy.

That little lesson in vocabulary complete. What in the world are you talking about? She committed a horrific crime and was sentenced. Most prisoners that get life sentences die in prison. Why should she be different? Oh no, she got terminally sick, do we owe convicted murderers a full life of 72 years now, and if they don't get it, we should send them home for compensation?!

Cehome is thinking clearly on this one. Sympathy is superficial, and libs are great at it. Symbolism over substance.
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If he doesn't have sympathy for this situation he certainly can't have empathy for it, since empathy is more advanced than sympathy.

That little lesson in vocabulary complete. What in the world are you talking about? She committed a horrific crime and was sentenced. Most prisoners that get life sentences die in prison. Why should she be different? Oh no, she got terminally sick, do we owe convicted murderers a full life of 72 years now, and if they don't get it, we should send them home for compensation?!
Cehome is thinking clearly on this one. Sympathy is superficial, and libs are great at it. Symbolism over substance.
Well Starchecker, she is eligible to to be paroled under supervision and has been for several years. People who have committed more heinous crimes have been paroled after less incarceration, however her crime and punishment is politically charged. She will never be paroled even though folk who did much more to thrash the fabric of sanity are out on the streets again. Let her die with her family. She made a horrific choice many years ago and Christ would forgive her.
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I played the Christ card.
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I played the Christ card.
Yeah you played it, but unfortunatley you didn't follow suit, so it had no effect.

Christ will forgive her if she repented, but that doesn't mean the consequence of her actions in this world aren't still in force.

The fact that she was eligible for parole doesn't mean anything since she was denied parole everytime she came up for it. This is a "mercy" decision, and I question the appropriateness of it's application.

But you are right, "political" crimes tend to get punished differently from "regular" crimes.
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But you are right, "political" crimes tend to get punished differently from "regular" crimes.
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I don't recall her showing any of the victims "compassion".......
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I don't recall her showing any of the victims "compassion".......
+1, let the ***** rot
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Is she a danger to society? If not, I'm tired of footing the bill for her incarceration. If she is then keep her locked up.
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My feeling is prison isn't about rehabilitation(although it's great if it can be accomplished while incarcerated) and it's not about whether or not the person is still a threat. It is meant as a punishment for a crime committed. As such "letting her out early" because of illness or no longer being a threat isn't a valid reason.
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My feeling is prison isn't about rehabilitation (although it's great if it can be accomplished while incarcerated) and it's not about whether or not the person is still a threat. It is meant as a punishment for a crime committed. As such "letting her out early" because of illness or no longer being a threat isn't a valid reason.
Yeah, that seems the common perception of what incarceration is about (not disagreeing just taking note).

IMO, that is why the recidivism rate is so high.
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It sounds like she's going to die soon due to some terminal illness, which means that her chances of going on a rampage are somewhere close to nil.

Therefore, the real question is, "is it cheaper for the taxpayers to let her die at home, or in prison?" I suspect that we could all be spared the expenses of her final weeks/months of care and funeral if we let her go home.
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