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Old 03-03-2009, 10:00 AM   #1
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Default In which we discuss....Plato

Plato believed in "forms" and "particulars". Now I won't go into the details much further than what the scope of the discussion is.

He believe that everything had a perfect form, and that everything you see was a copy of that perfect form. For example, somewhere there existed a perfect maple tree. The maple tree you see in your back yard was a copy of the perfect maple tree.

In politics, Plato believed that art was a copy of a copy and thus impure. He foresaw having a state-sanctioned selection of art, one approved of by an elite committee of "guardians" who were taught from birth the code of the state and entrusted to protect and enforce the code.

In which we arrive at our discussion of topic, how it relates to the world we live in today.
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Did he create the movie Multiplicity?
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yes, "elite committee"....sounds like the gestapo
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yes plato was a nazi. you caught him. case closed.
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Plato believed in "forms" and "particulars". Now I won't go into the details much further than what the scope of the discussion is.

He believe that everything had a perfect form, and that everything you see was a copy of that perfect form. For example, somewhere there existed a perfect maple tree. The maple tree you see in your back yard was a copy of the perfect maple tree.

In politics, Plato believed that art was a copy of a copy and thus impure. He foresaw having a state-sanctioned selection of art, one approved of by an elite committee of "guardians" who were taught from birth the code of the state and entrusted to protect and enforce the code.

In which we arrive at our discussion of topic, how it relates to the world we live in today.
I disagree that art is a copy, or even a copy of a copy. Much art has no basis in other existing forms. The argument could be made for portraits, landscapes and the like, but art created from the imagination is pure and each is the perfect form of itself.

though some art is more 'perfect' than others...
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I disagree that art is a copy, or even a copy of a copy. Much art has no basis in other existing forms. The argument could be made for portraits, landscapes and the like, but art created from the imagination is pure and each is the perfect form of itself.

though some art is more 'perfect' than others...
Let's also not forget that both Plato and Socrates taught with a sense of irony. They would draw their lessons in the sand (literally). That visual form of communication is the essence of traditional art, however, art had somewhat of a different meaning back then.

art = techne in ancient Greek. To them, technology and art were one and the same. Art spanned all disciplines, from architecture, politics, music, pottery, painting and even combat/warfare.

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