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Old 10-29-2009, 01:40 PM   #1
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Thumbs up House Dems Unveil Health Bill, Cheered on by Obama!

FINALLY....

This could finally be the most Historic Bill in ages to pass.

Let's hope smooth (as can be expected) passage and turn a new and positive page in the American Chapter.

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By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent David Espo, Ap Special Correspondent – 15 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Their work swiftly heralded by President Barack Obama, House Democrats rolled out landmark legislation Thursday to extend health care to tens of millions who lack coverage, impose sweeping new restrictions on private insurers and create a government-run insurance option for cost-conscious consumers.

The measure "covers 96 percent of all Americans, and it puts affordable coverage in reach for millions of uninsured and underinsured families, lowering health care costs for all of us," boasted Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., at a ceremony attended by dozens of Democratic lawmakers. She spoke on the steps of the Capitol, not far from where Obama issued his inaugural summons for Congress to act more than nine months ago.

Despite the fanfare, Democrats did not immediately release a detailed estimate of the legislation's cost. Instead, they said the Congressional Budget Office had put the cost related to coverage at $894 billion over a decade, and they made no mention of other items in the measure.

The full House is expected to vote on the bill late next week, and Democratic leaders were careful not to claim they had yet rounded up enough votes to pass it. Still, the day's events capped months of struggle and marked a major advance in their drive — and Obama's — to accomplish an overhaul of the health care system that has eluded presidents for a half-century.

Across the Capitol, the Democratic-controlled Senate is expected to begin debate within two weeks on a bill crafted by Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. It, too, envisions a government-run insurance option, although states could opt out, unlike in the bill the House will vote on. That portion of the Senate version appears likely to be weakened even further, as moderates press for a standby system that would not go into effect until it was clear individual states were experiencing a lack of competition among private companies.

Obama called the House legislation "another critical milestone in the effort to reform our health care system." The president added he was pleased with the decision to allow the government to sell insurance in competition with private industry, and said the measure meets his goals for deficit neutrality.

Republican reaction was as swift as it was negative. "It will raise the cost of Americans' health insurance premiums; it will kill jobs with tax hikes and new mandates, and it will cut seniors' Medicare benefits," said the party's leader in the House, Rep. John Boehner of Ohio. He carried a copy of the 1,990-page measure into a news conference to underscore his claim it represented a government takeover of the health care system.

Republicans have already signaled their determination to make the health care debate a key issue in next year's congressional elections, when all 435 House seats will be on the ballot.

But their ability to block passage in the current House is nonexistent as long as Pelosi and her leadership can forge a consensus among the Democratic rank and file. The party holds 256 seats in the House, where 218 makes a majority.

Broad in scope, the House Democrats' bill attempts to build on the current system of employer-provided health care. It would require big companies to cover their employees and would provide federal subsidies to help small companies provide insurance for theirs, as well. Most individuals would be required to carry insurance, and much of the money in the legislation is dedicated to subsidies for those at lower incomes to help them afford coverage.

For those at even lower incomes, the bill provides for an expansion of Medicaid, the state-federal health program for the poor. Adults up to 150 percent of poverty — individuals making up to $16,245 and a family of four up to $33,075 — would be covered, a provision estimated to add 15 million to Medicaid.

One of the bill's major features is a new national insurance market, in which private companies could sell policies that meet federally mandated benefit levels, the government would offer competing coverage and consumers could shop for the policy that best met their needs.

In a bow to moderates, Democrats decided doctors, hospitals and other providers would be allowed to negotiate rates with the Department of Health and Human Services for services provided in the government insurance option.

Liberals had favored a system in which fees would be dictated by the government, an approach that would have been less costly than what was settled on, and also would have moved closer to a purely government-run health care system than some Democrats favor.

Thursday's bill includes an array of new restrictions on the private insurance industry, in addition to forcing insurers to compete with the federal government for business.

Firms would be banned from denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions and limited in their ability to charge higher premiums on the basis of age.

They would be required to spend 85 percent of their income from premiums on coverage, effectively limiting their ability to advertise or pay bonuses. Additionally, the industry would be stripped of immunity from antitrust regulations covering price fixing, bid rigging and market allocation. And in a late addition to the bill, 30-year-old restrictions on the Federal Trade Commission's ability to look into the insurance industry would be erased.

In response, the industry's top lobbyist, Karen Ignagni, issued a statement containing a somewhat milder version of criticism than recently unleashed against the Senate's version of the legislation. "We are concerned" the House bill will violate assurances that individuals would be able to keep their insurance if they like it, she said. She said it would be responsible for "increasing health care costs for families and employers across the country and significantly disrupting the quality coverage on which millions of Americans rely today."

Ignagni added that the presence of a government-run insurance plan "would bankrupt hospitals, dismantle employer coverage, exacerbate cost-shifting from Medicare and Medicaid and ultimately increase the federal deficit."

While Democrats touted new benefits for seniors, the bill relies on hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts from projected Medicare spending over the next decade. Much of the money would come from the part of the program in which private companies offer coverage to seniors.

Supporters argue the private plans are an improvement over traditional Medicare, because they provide extra benefits such as eyeglass coverage or gym memberships. Critics argue the plans receive an average of 14 percent higher subsidies per beneficiary that the government pays under the original Medicare program.

The bill's other major new source of revenue is from a proposed income tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on wealthy earners, individuals making at least $500,000 a year and couples $1 million or more.

The legislation includes other taxes, such as a 2.5 percent excise tax on the makers of medical devices, expected to raise $20 billion over a decade.
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I hope it passes so I can cancel my company's health insurance! Whoohoo. I'm tired of giving my employees something. Let the government do it. That's what it's there for..
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I hope it passes so I can cancel my company's health insurance! Whoohoo. I'm tired of giving my employees something. Let the government do it. That's what it's there for..
The funny thing is... You will most likely pay less with better options and benefits as a whole.
But since it's a "DEM" plan... you can care less.
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No really. If it costs less than what I have no for them, I do care. I could care less of the coverage (I'm on a private plan). But let's be honest, I give them a BCBS 90/70 (2000/5000 deductable) plan with great coverage. No way they gov plan will come close to it. Regardless, I hope to reduce my corporate expenses. And I can't be blamed! The union employees might complain, but this is what they wanted.
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No really. If it costs less than what I have no for them, I do care. I could care less of the coverage (I'm on a private plan). But let's be honest, I give them a BCBS 90/70 (2000/5000 deductable) plan with great coverage. No way they gov plan will come close to it. Regardless, I hope to reduce my corporate expenses. And I can't be blamed! The union employees might complain, but this is what they wanted.
Now the liberals will not only act surprised when this starts happening, but they will also call you evil for taking advantage of the legislation they pushed.
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FINALLY....

This could finally be the most Historic Bill in ages to pass.

Let's hope smooth (as can be expected) passage and turn a new and positive page in the American Chapter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091029/..._care_overhaul
Oh gawd...

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FINALLY....

This could finally be the most Historic Bill in ages to pass.

Let's hope smooth (as can be expected) passage and turn a new and positive page in the American Chapter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091029/..._care_overhaul
Hehe, Hope.



Last I checked, hoping does just about as much as praying to God for something good to happen.

This feels more like:

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seriously, TXSTYLE...GTFO, quit making threads about how you would suck off obama...
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last i checked, hoping does just about as much as praying to god for something good to happen.

This feels more like:

love it
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How about you GTFO if you cant be respectful to other members....
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seriously, TXSTYLE...GTFO, quit making threads about how you would suck off obama...
You have some balls of brass (more like pus in reality) noob, to come up in here with your pimple-face brand of banter.
Don't get banned before you even get recognized twimp.
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The funny thing is... You will most likely pay less with better options and benefits as a whole.
But since it's a "DEM" plan... you can care less.
:bowro fl:

You should change your name to "DEM FAN BOY"...

I have repented my ways as a republican fan boy... but you, my friend, are playing right into their game...
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You should change your name to "DEM FAN BOY"...

I have repented my ways as a republican fan boy... but you, my friend, are playing right into their game...
yep...and TXSTYLE, sorry i told you to GTFO, didnt know it would hurt ur feelings...but seriously...you are playing right into their game...
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Oh he's a Democrat so he MUST be in my best interests!!!

Get rid of the labels and Marcus might have to use his brain for once!
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Wow am I glad my wife got a gvt job this week. We wont have to worry about our health care being effected since they wont ever think about changing their own when this mess goes through. The gvt can hardly run small social programs. How anyone thinks this will work is out of their minds.
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Wow am I glad my wife got a gvt job this week. We wont have to worry about our health care being effected since they wont ever think about changing their own when this mess goes through. The gvt can hardly run small social programs. How anyone thinks this will work is out of their minds.
But my team (Democrats) have the ball? They must win?? Right?? They said so...
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