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I for one, am also very opposed to taking care of the elderly, the poor, and I am completely against having free childbirth services. It should be common practice to hand a mother a bill as soon as the little one pops his miserable little head out, you know just as little going away present from society to the mother.
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I for one, am also very opposed to taking care of the elderly, the poor, and I am completely against having free childbirth services. It should be common practice to hand a mother a bill as soon as the little one pops his miserable little head out.
The reason you don't need to help is because it isn't your responsibility.
The reason you don't need to help is because it isn't your responsibility.
It's generally referred to as social responsibility....much in the same way we provide for the local police departments, fire departments, national defense, the coast guard, education, and the road networks.
Or would you prefer police and fire departments be privatized; and they'd come complete with Viagra and AFLAC logos and stickers and be responsible to their shareholders rather than the people.
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I am completely against having free childbirth services. It should be common practice to hand a mother a bill as soon as the little one pops his miserable little head out, you know just as little going away present from society to the mother.
Thats easy. If you cant afford to have the kid then maybe you should rethink having one in the first place. It just gets a lot more expensive after that.
Thats easy. If you cant afford to have the kid then maybe you should rethink having one in the first place. It just gets a lot more expensive after that.
In an ideal world, sure I'd entertain that notion as well. But as another member here put it, "life happens".
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It's generally referred to as social responsibility....much in the same way we provide for the local police departments, fire departments, national defense, the coast guard, education, and the road networks.
Or would you prefer police and fire departments be privatized; and they'd come complete with Viagra and AFLAC logos and stickers and be responsible to their shareholders rather than the people.
this a state vs. federal issue. It is about the role of the FEDERAL govt.
this a state vs. federal issue. It is about the role of the FEDERAL govt.
Police departments do receive federal funding. Regardless, I was talking about government in general and some of the things I mentioned in there are solely operated by the federal government.
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"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it"~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931
Some things in life can be helped, especially in a democracy or republic which takes the well being of its citizenry seriously. Sometimes, unemployment is a thing that people cannot help and a civilized country ensures that its citizenry have some sort of safety net to fall upon during rough times.
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Some things in life can be helped, especially in a democracy or republic which takes the well being of its citizenry seriously. Sometimes, unemployment is a thing that people cannot help and a civilized country ensures that its citizenry have some sort of safety net to fall upon during rough times.
Any government that takes from the haves by force to give to the have not's, keeping a liberal amount of that in it's own pockets along the way, is defined as a "Tyranny" and is defined as "socialistic".
P.S. Democracy is simply were the majority out vote and take away the rights of the minority. Where 51% decide the fate of the 49%. We also call this tyrannical.
Any government that takes from the haves by force to give to the have not's, keeping a liberal amount of that in it's own pockets along the way, is defined as a "Tyranny" and is defined as "socialistic".
P.S. Democracy is simply were the majority out vote and take away the rights of the minority. Where 51% decide the fate of the 49%. We also call this tyrannical.
I swear, this is a purely American mentality where people can't see past their own pocketbooks to help their fellow countrymen who are less fortunate than themselves. What I'm describing is not socialism in its purest sense; it's mere the act of being social and decent human being. After all, we are a social species that require social organizations in order to function as a society; and in some cases society needs to provide for those who are too old, weak, poor, or sick to care for themselves.
It is a matter of principle for me and not finances.
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I swear, this is a purely American mentality where people can't see past their own pocketbooks to help their fellow countrymen who are less fortunate than themselves.
Look at how fast you launch into your ad hominem appeal to emotions!
Because I feel it is wrong to take via force from someone to give to someone else, you seem to think that I am saying it is completely wrong to give to those who have not?
There is a distinction between taking via force and giving of free will which you can't seem to grasp.
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What I'm describing is not socialism in its purest sense; it's mere the act of being social and decent human being.
Ruh roh, first you say it's not socialism, but then you put on the caveat "in it's purest sense".
Then you describe it as being a "Social" and "decent human being". So now you are for enacting legislation dictating morality huh?
Now you want to tell me what I have to do to be a "decent human being" and I am not allowed to do it my way? That is a little bit arrogant and tyrannical there.
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After all, we are a social species that require social organizations in order to function as a society; and in some cases society needs to provide for those who are too old, weak, poor, or sick to care for themselves.
It is a matter of principlefor me and not finances.
And this is the crux of your argument. This is a matter of principal FOR YOU. You seem to want to push your morality, ethics and conscience onto me and force me to conform to your ideology.
Are you so blinded, are you so myopic that you can't realize what exactly it is your are naively espousing?
"Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."~ Novelist C. S. Lewis
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