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Old 11-09-2009, 10:21 PM   #1
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Good. Islam needs a serious reform. A religion that finds having sex with 8 year old kids acceptable, and stoning rape victims needs serious reform.

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* to educate both Muslims and non-Muslims alike that Moderate Muslims are also targets of Islamic Terror

The "moderate" muslims need to become the majority (they are currently the minority) as they make Islam a good religion with a lot of good messages.
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wow i love it how these stupid kids where raised in the US yet they hate the US and they still live here. its the freedom of speech this country offers that gives them this right. hhhhhhmmmmm makes perfect sense.

why are they so pissed off and angry.

can these guys be arrested for treason or something?
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wow i love it how these stupid kids where raised in the US yet they hate the US and they still live here. its the freedom of speech this country offers that gives them this right. hhhhhhmmmmm makes perfect sense.

why are they so pissed off and angry.

can these guys be arrested for treason or something?
there pissed, cause there people are pissed at them for turning from Jews to Muslim. I personally just think their crazy?
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I laugh how he said Islam is about peace, friendship and opposing hatred....Yet they HATE us so badly. What the **** is up with that?

How is hating the United States who gave that man the life he has and allows him to say what he is saying demonstrating peace, friendship and opposing hatred? If anything he should oppose HIMSELF. If he was living in the ME and spoke down upon them imagine what would happen to him.
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wow i love it how these stupid kids where raised in the US yet they hate the US and they still live here. its the freedom of speech this country offers that gives them this right. hhhhhhmmmmm makes perfect sense.

why are they so pissed off and angry.

can these guys be arrested for treason or something?
Unfortunately not.
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Good. Islam needs a serious reform. A religion that finds having sex with 8 year old kids acceptable, and stoning rape victims needs serious reform.

See here why: http://www.reformislam.org/



The "moderate" muslims need to become the majority (they are currently the minority) as they make Islam a good religion with a lot of good messages.
I definitely agree with you on this one.

That video really pisses me off (more the radical muslims in it)
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Good. Islam needs a serious reform. A religion that finds having sex with 8 year old kids acceptable, and stoning rape victims needs serious reform.

See here why: http://www.reformislam.org/



The "moderate" muslims need to become the majority (they are currently the minority) as they make Islam a good religion with a lot of good messages.
dude, you need to stop. evey post you make on what you think you know only makes you look like an idiot.
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wow i love it how these stupid kids where raised in the US yet they hate the US and they still live here. its the freedom of speech this country offers that gives them this right. hhhhhhmmmmm makes perfect sense.

why are they so pissed off and angry?

can these guys be arrested for treason or something?
I blame lack of pussy.
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dude, you need to stop. evey post you make on what you think you know only makes you look like an idiot.
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•*What we call the "Radical Islam" is the majority not the minority.
• What we call the "Moderate Islam" is the extreme minority not the majority.
• The Qu'ran has 109 verses in it calling those of Islam to kill and subjugate the "non believers".
• Several of these passages were said by, or referenced by Muhammad confirming the intended usage of these passages.
• The Qu'ran commands those of Islam in non-islamic nations to subvert the nation they live in and bring about Sharia Law.


These are all facts, acknowledged by the website I mentioned whom consist of Muslim Moderates who wish to embrace the peaceful part of Islam and not adhere to the violence in it propagated by Muhammad.



Now you claim that I don't know what I am talking about (and thus this makes me look like an idiot). I tell you to substantiate your claims or STFU.

If you can't or wont, then you need to go wash the sand out of your vagina somewhere else.
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•*What we call the "Radical Islam" is the majority not the minority.
• What we call the "Moderate Islam" is the extreme minority not the majority.
• The Qu'ran has 109 verses in it calling those of Islam to kill and subjugate the "non believers".
• Several of these passages were said by, or referenced by Muhammad confirming the intended usage of these passages.
• The Qu'ran commands those of Islam in non-islamic nations to subvert the nation they live in and bring about Sharia Law.


These are all facts, acknowledged by the website I mentioned whom consist of Muslim Moderates who wish to embrace the peaceful part of Islam and not adhere to the violence in it propagated by Muhammad.



Now you claim that I don't know what I am talking about (and thus this makes me look like an idiot). I tell you to substantiate your claims or STFU.

If you can't or wont, then you need to go wash the sand out of your vagina somewhere else.

well, it must be true then since you read it on the internet
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•*What we call the "Radical Islam" is the majority not the minority.
• What we call the "Moderate Islam" is the extreme minority not the majority.
• The Qu'ran has 109 verses in it calling those of Islam to kill and subjugate the "non believers".
• Several of these passages were said by, or referenced by Muhammad confirming the intended usage of these passages.
• The Qu'ran commands those of Islam in non-islamic nations to subvert the nation they live in and bring about Sharia Law.


These are all facts, acknowledged by the website I mentioned whom consist of Muslim Moderates who wish to embrace the peaceful part of Islam and not adhere to the violence in it propagated by Muhammad.
Again, if this was the case, there would be much more Muslim-against-x related violence in the world.

I do not see it. Do you?
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There are ~1.2 Billion muslims in the world. Radical Islam is most definitely a tiny minority. Otherwise, it wouldn't be radical, it would just be Islam.

It's like saying a majority of people are of below average intelligence. It's just not possible.
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Again, if this was the case, there would be much more Muslim-against-x related violence in the world.

I do not see it. Do you?
I see it. Some people can't however because of their Politically Correct filtered glasses.

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There are ~1.2 Billion muslims in the world. Radical Islam is most definitely a tiny minority. Otherwise, it wouldn't be radical, it would just be Islam.

It's like saying a majority of people are of below average intelligence. It's just not possible.
The western world calls it "radical" to marginalize the truth. When in reality, from an adherence to scripture stand point, it is not radical at all, it is as you say, Islam.

But the west has to run things through its "Political Correctness" filter first. And to us, believing that God commands you to kill innocent people because they don't believe in your version of "God" is "radical" when to Islam, it is the norm.
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The western world calls it "radical" to marginalize the truth. When in reality, from an adherence to scripture stand point, it is not radical at all, it is as you say, Islam.

But the west has to run things through its "Political Correctness" filter first. And to us, believing that God commands you to kill innocent people because they don't believe in your version of "God" is "radical" when to Islam, it is the norm.
Violence in Islam correlates very closely with how the religion was spread in the first place. In areas where the religion was spread through trade, Islam is no more violent than Christianity. In places where people were converted by conquest, a much higher level of violence is preached.

While the religion itself no doubt says that violence to spread religion is acceptable, it's just untrue to say that a majority of muslims approve of violence to further their religion. The vast majority of muslims just want to live their lives like everybody else.

Now, if we're going to narrow our area down to specific places like Waziristan then yeah, a majority of muslims there probably believe all infidels must either die or be converted. 99%* of muslims don't live in Waziristan though. They live in places like India, Indonesia, Mali, Morrocco, Guinea, Bangladesh, Albania, Cameroon etc.

* - statistic is not intended to be accurate
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While the religion itself no doubt says that violence to spread religion is acceptable, it's just untrue to say that a majority of muslims approve of violence to further their religion. The vast majority of muslims just want to live their lives like everybody else.
Like the muslims in paris right? You know, the area of town the paris police won't go into because of the casualty rate of their officers? The place where molotovs and rocks are thrown at the officers?

Because, obviously the mulsims there had to spread their religion by violence...
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Like the muslims in paris right? You know, the area of town the paris police won't go into because of the casualty rate of their officers? The place where molotovs and rocks are thrown at the officers?

Because, obviously the mulsims there had to spread their religion by violence...
What's the saying about how 5% of the people are 95% of the problem?

I'm pretty surprised at your irrationality on this subject. You must know that a majority of the the 1.2 billion muslims aren't violent extremists.
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