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Old 06-21-2004, 03:37 PM   #1
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Communist = Socialist liberal and/or Bush hater/Kerry lover
Fascist = Religious Right and/or Bush lover/Kerry Hater

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Keep in mind, it's hard to place everyone into a specific area on the graph.

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Old 06-21-2004, 04:07 PM   #2
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Maybe we should all retake that short political test that plots your political ideology on a graph. It was oversimplified, but it worked well in a general way. Someone needs to dig that up.

Besides, your opinion is no good unless we can readily pigeon-hole you.
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Old 06-21-2004, 04:13 PM   #3
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Whatever your opinion, Pete, WashUJon, Raceboy, and me should all be *very* close to the same spot.
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Here's the scale we made according to this quiz:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

I tried to map your 1-dimensional scale to its 2-dimensional space with the red curve, but it's hard since comminusm and facism are both authoritarian forms of government, and far more extreme than anyone here.

If more people take it I'll add them.
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Whatever your opinion, Pete, WashUJon, Raceboy, and me should all be *very* close to the same spot.

Nope, sorry. Don't really know about raceboy, but IMO your republican rhetoric lately has clearly pushed you to the right.

Keep in mind, my graph also takes into account the Bush hater/Bush lover factor.



Edit: Strange, I retook that political quiz and my political leaning has changed. It was in the same place as bini2. BTW, that quiz is extremely libertarian biased.
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Default I have to admit I am quite shcked

I moved from the very bottom right to the center top.

Must be the good screwing the Fed's gave to me and the ongoing distrust I now have of them?

Who knows, I reitarate that after voting R for 22 years I have decided to abstain.

Unless this Senator makes some strong moves very quickly my entire family will abstain. Screw corruption man...

Oh by the way this is my day off don't give a dam verbiage

forgot some stuff:

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 80%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 80%.

Scores falling on the centrist border are counted as centrist.

2,935,891 users have taken the quiz so far. Results are renewed after each submission

Libertarian 34.84 %
Left-liberal 18.96 %
Centrist 30.14 %
Right-Conservative 7.37 %
Authoritarian 8.69 %
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Old 06-21-2004, 04:54 PM   #7
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>> Don't really know about raceboy, but IMO your republican rhetoric lately has clearly pushed you to the right.

LOL. Jesse, you're using some kind of illogical unreasonable scale to measure our emotions as perceived by you instead of our actual positions. You think I've "pushed to the right" just because I oppose Kerry who is far left?
Call me what you want, but your model doesn't stand up to reality.


>> I moved from the very bottom right to the center top.

I'll update it in the actual thread later!
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>> BTW, that quiz is extremely libertarian biased.

It's based on the issues and definitions. Human beings are libertarian biased, and as they learn more about politics they move towards libertarianism.
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LOL. Jesse, you're using some kind of illogical unreasonable scale to measure our emotions as perceived by you instead of our actual positions. You think I've "pushed to the right" just because I oppose Kerry who is far left?
Call me what you want, but your model doesn't stand up to reality.
All I can give is opinion, since I obviously can't read minds. Your movement to the right is more a result of your blatant democrat/liberal bashing.

Most people perceive themselves differently than others do.

Here, I'll make it simple: All graphing created by me, is the sole opinion of Jesse English. It in no way constitutes actual fact, simply the perception of one individual.
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jesse,

A big part of what you're missing in your chart is that Bush and Kerry are not polar opposites. So therefore its going to be hard to graph everyone along a line.

As I've said before and I'll say it again, I tend to support the republican party generally because it tends to leave businesses alone. Additionally I support our ongoing efforts in Iraq. Even if it was for all the wrong reasons, I have to believe Iraqi's will be better off down the road than had we just left the whole thing alone.
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>> All I can give is opinion, since I obviously can't read minds.

Understanding what I'm saying requires no supernatural abilities.


>> Your movement to the right is more a result of your blatant democrat/liberal bashing.

What movement? I can disagree with liberals without moving since I already disagreed with liberals.

It's not bashing. I disagree with democrats and liberals, just as I always have. I said liberals have their heads up their asses, and here's what the idiom means: they ignore reality, and (like the tagline from the most libertarian president of the twentieth century says) they believe things that aren't true. Congrats, you are now a prime example.

I have not moved to the right at all. If there were any movment, you could say "this was your position at point A, and this is your more right leaning position at point B." You cannot do that, so your statement is wrong.

If I were so much different from Pete, WashUJon, Raceboy, et al., you could find significant differences in our positions. You cannot, so you are wrong there, too.


>> Most people perceive themselves differently than others do.

It's not a matter of perception. I am correct, and you are incorrect.


>> Here, I'll make it simple: All graphing created by me, is the sole opinion of Jesse English. It in no way constitutes actual fact, simply the perception of one individual.

That's what I said. You're emotional rather than reasonable. Even your opinion needs have a basis in reality. You can't just say it's your opinion that 2 + 2 = 5. 2 + 2 still equals 4. I am still libertarian: liberal socially, and conservative economically.
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HAHAHA! I love this thread! Jesse, I take back what I said about you being uptight in the other thread. Pigeonholing people like this is all in good fun.

Check out my graph. Does this mean I'm a libertarian conservative or a conservative libertarian???
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Hmm... Maybe I'd be more conservative if they had some holy war questions.
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It's not a matter of perception. I am correct, and you are incorrect.
If that makes you feel better.

You said a lot, but that doesn't change your position on my chart, in fact it just solidifies my opinion of where you are on the graph, thanks. So, you disagree with where I put you on the graph? Or do you just disagree with the graph out of principle?
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HAHAHA! I love this thread! Jesse, I take back what I said about you being uptight in the other thread. Pigeonholing people like this is all in good fun.
Some people don't get the joke. Oh well, I was hoping everyone would put their opinions of where they see everyone else on their own graph. All that time wasted.
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jesseenglish, you seem to think Todd is moving just because he's made a judgement of the lesser of two evils. Just because he thinks Bush is the right vote doesn't mean he agrees with everything Bush says or would even be that close to Bush politically (Bush, btw, isn't very far right or conservative).

I agree with Todd a bit you are letting your opinions place him somewhere on the graph, not listening to a lot of stuff he's been saying that seem pretty consistent to me.
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Heh, mine changed today, too. Too small of a quiz. I think my changes may have been leaving a couple of things "M" instead of "N"s.



Of course, the thing is run by a libertarian website, so you have to take that into account.
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Here is a graph I put together. For those people that aren't baseball fans, that is left field.
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just teasing, Jesse :-D
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