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Ugh... more scare-tactic propaganda designed to provoke an emotional response.
Let's get some facts here. (I'd post them, but I'm actually busy today - go figure)
Part of the problem is that Kerry's plan isn't completely ironed-out yet. We don't really know exactly what he intends to support, regarding tax reform and he may change his tune between now and the Democratic national convention.
I'm not unhappy with the status-quo, but there's no reason to absolutely assume Bush will continue to support the same tax policy if he's re-elected. His non-discretionary spending is up the wazoo and this war is costing a mint.
-Jon (forever skeptical of politicians in both parties)
If it wasn't for taxes...I'd be in the Kerry camp. I'm teetering on the verge anyway...but I can't stomach a tax increase (which will happen by default if the Republicans don't MAKE it permanent).
Pete (hates taxes)
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I wish we could get more damned details out of Kerry... He seems to really be holding back on his answers to things (mostly because Bush will just do them anyways)...
But one thing that I have read about is that Kerry wants to invest $30B in to the tech industry, sponsored by auctioning off FCC airwaves...
Grrr... This sorta thinking makes me angry...
FCC = Monopoly on communications supply. They should not be allowed to use that money for anything other than to fund the FCC. If they did that, I'm sure they'd have money left over in their own department. . . THATS MY MONEY YOU MOTHERPLUCKERS! I'm in the tech industry and I'd rather see it come back to me so I can spend my money how I want to...
Dave (believes strongly each tenticle of the executive branch is suspect and with their apparent monopolies on lawmaking and penalizing they ought to be fairly self-sufficient)
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Even more so then the taxes i am worried about John kerry's plan to increase the minimum wage. That would be disastrous for our economy. I see a bleak future if John Kerry is elected.
There was a good article about this in the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday
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Originally posted by jesseenglish yeah, yeah, I know. I just had to see what this "reason" was.
Hee Hee Hee i got u to watch the video and when you are on ur deathbed you will think back to this day and curse my name for those now precious 5 minutes that u wasted and will never get back!
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Originally posted by SQUILL Hee Hee Hee i got u to watch the video and when you are on ur deathbed you will think back to this day and curse my name for those now precious 5 minutes that u wasted and will never get back!
Ha! I'll bet that 5 minutes will be way down the list. Right, Jesse?
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Originally posted by WashUJon Ugh... more scare-tactic propaganda designed to provoke an emotional response.
Let's get some facts here. (I'd post them, but I'm actually busy today - go figure)
Part of the problem is that Kerry's plan isn't completely ironed-out yet. We don't really know exactly what he intends to support, regarding tax reform and he may change his tune between now and the Democratic national convention.
I'm not unhappy with the status-quo, but there's no reason to absolutely assume Bush will continue to support the same tax policy if he's re-elected. His non-discretionary spending is up the wazoo and this war is costing a mint.
-Jon (forever skeptical of politicians in both parties)
Well, the only thing I will say about Kerry and Bush is they both have records, and one has a record of voting for tons of tax increases and voting against tons of tax cuts, and the other has a record of pushing tax cuts.
I'm very cynical with most tax promises made during campaign season. "Read my lips" from Bush 41 and the suddenly disappearing Clinton middle class tax cut he worked "as hard as he's worked for anything in his political career" disabused me of believing any of them.
Look to the history, and you'll see a much better indicator of what will happen than what comes out of their mouths.
Originally posted by MannishBoy Well, the only thing I will say about Kerry and Bush is they both have records, and one has a record of voting for tons of tax increases and voting against tons of tax cuts, and the other has a record of pushing tax cuts.
Well if Bush had actually worked in a job where he had to vote for or against tax cuts, I'm sure his record wouldn't be as spotless as it is now.
Yeah, so what difference does that make? At least now that he IS in such a job, he is doing so and says he'll continue to do so.
I'm not much for goofy little videos like this, but tell me Jesse, what in that video was NOT true? I don't know about you, but I just do NOT want to see any more of what I work my A$$ off for, go to yet another moronic entitlement program.
You'd rather see it spent on the creation of huge government bureaucracies?
Don't you see, it doesn't matter who we elect. Bush will create huge deficits through increased spending on the Department of Defense / Homeland Security or whatever. Kerry will increase the deficit through Education / Social Security / Medical Insurance. Either way we're screwed. Eventually someone's gonna have to pay for it.
You can pick apart specific points of either side both demecrats and republicans however we can only vote for the general political practices of either the republican party or the democrats.
Of course you can vote for some of the other smaller parties but as they never win presedential elections i personally dont care about them.
And in general i can never under stand why the liberals must play political robbin hood and preach the benefits of taking from the rich and giving to the poor. I also cant stand their borderline socialist programs they are always trying to implement such as government supplied health care and retirement programs as well as an abundance of programs designed to get us to pay for other peoples problems with our hard earned incomes.
In general John Kerry will act as all democrats do in all aspects at whatever degree that he will but overall his politics are liberal and as such you can expect from him what any other democrat pres has done in the past in general.
I can not stand for the idea of their political programs in general and as i agree with the ideals and programs of the republican party strongly I will of course vote for bush.
The democrats dont seem to realize most wealthy people in america are employers and as such when they are dinged by higher taxes or whatever programs that hurt their ability to generate profit the expense is passed down to the employees anyway. I dont think these supporters of the democratic party seem to realize this.
Originally posted by jesseenglish You'd rather see it spent on the creation of huge government bureaucracies?
Don't you see, it doesn't matter who we elect. Bush will create huge deficits through increased spending on the Department of Defense / Homeland Security or whatever. Kerry will increase the deficit through Education / Social Security / Medical Insurance. Either way we're screwed. Eventually someone's gonna have to pay for it.
I agree Bush is allowing Congress to spend too much money, but Kerry is complaining Bush isn't spending enough on Homeland Security.
Everywhere besides possibly the military, the Democrats have had a bigger, more expensive plan than the Republicans have. This goes to the farm bill, education, perscription drugs, etc. So, while I hate that the Republicans have forgotten Reagan's smaller government platform, the Democrats spend even more.