Jordan was never on lock

turismo · 06-18-2008, 08:59 AM

Im going to make this short and simple. Jordan, no matter the the series or team, was never held in check

. These are the times you should compare both. And obviously there's no comparo!

Toodles,

ShanesG · 06-18-2008, 12:03 PM

^He never faced a team like Boston
The best defense he faced in the finals was DET. with a 6'3 guy guarding him in man coverage....Get off MJ's High Horse

zand02max · 06-18-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by turismo

Toodles,

Only flamers from San Fran say that word, lol!

blasian · 06-18-2008, 12:08 PM

I'm sure he's making fun of bassholic

Lynchcrew · 06-18-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ShanesG

^He never faced a team like Boston
The best defense he faced in the finals was DET. with a 6'3 guy guarding him in man coverage....Get off MJ's High Horse

Detroit is in the east, he couldnt have faced them in the finals. Plus, he faced Detroit, Indianapolis, The Heat and the Knicks just to get to the finals. I would place their defense in their eras as better than the Celtics, no doubt. Also, that 6'3 guy was Joe Dumars and the Celtics have no one that could hold his jock at defending the 2 guard position.

ShanesG · 06-18-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynchcrew

Detroit is in the east, he couldnt have faced them in the finals. Plus, he faced Detroit, Indianapolis, The Heat and the Knicks just to get to the finals. I would place their defense in their eras as better than the Celtics, no doubt. Also, that 6'3 guy was Joe Dumars and the Celtics have no one that could hold his jock at defending the 2 guard position.

meant playoff's

Fluid1 · 06-18-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynchcrew

Detroit is in the east, he couldnt have faced them in the finals. Plus, he faced Detroit, Indianapolis, The Heat and the Knicks just to get to the finals. I would place their defense in their eras as better than the Celtics, no doubt. Also, that 6'3 guy was Joe Dumars and the Celtics have no one that could hold his jock at defending the 2 guard position.

QFMFT

ShanesG · 06-18-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynchcrew

Detroit is in the east, he couldnt have faced them in the finals. Plus, he faced Detroit, Indianapolis, The Heat and the Knicks just to get to the finals. I would place their defense in their eras as better than the Celtics, no doubt. Also, that 6'3 guy was Joe Dumars and the Celtics have no one that could hold his jock at defending the 2 guard position.

More phyical for sure, but i wouldn't say BETTER...but as far as containing the best player in the world zone>man.
Kobe is the most double+ teamed perimiter player in the history of the game.
I donno people seem to think that just because deffense was more physical and hand-checking was allowed that defenses were better, when really they are more advanced nowadays especially at containing a teams star players.

Lynchcrew · 06-18-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ShanesG

More phyical for sure, but i wouldn't say BETTER...but as far as containing the best player in the world zone>man.
Kobe is the most double+ teamed perimiter player in the history of the game.
I donno people seem to think that just because deffense was more physical and hand-checking was allowed that defenses were better, when really they are more advanced nowadays especially at containing a teams star players.

Do you honestly believe Kobe is more doubled than MJ? Honestly, we cant know for sure, but I cant imagine anyone being more double teamed than Jordan. As for zone being greater than man at containing people, i respectfully disagree. If you can be guarded, man will always shut you down worse than zone. If you can't be guarded, it doesnt matter what they do. If the pistons, knicks, heat or pacers played in todays NBA:

a-none of their players would make any money after the fines
b-they'd never complete a game due to fouling out
c-there'd be a lot of "superstars" crying to the media

JaX_Z · 06-18-2008, 12:51 PM

This Thread...

doug · 06-18-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by turismo

Im going to make this short and simple. Jordan, no matter the the series or team, was never held in check

. These are the times you should compare both. And obviously there's no comparo!

Toodles,

you're talking to a bunch of kids who never saw the real Michael Jordan play.. all they know is Michael on the Wizards..

Kobe isn't half the player Michael Jordan is.. he can't even make his team mates better..

ShanesG · 06-18-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynchcrew

Do you honestly believe Kobe is more doubled than MJ?
considering zone is legal now and most teams use it against the Lakers YES
Honestly, we cant know for sure, but I cant imagine anyone being more double teamed than Jordan.
As for zone being greater than man at containing people, i respectfully disagree. If you can be guarded, man will always shut you down worse than zone. If you can't be guarded, it doesnt matter what they do.
Of course it does, with zone(if executed corectly) you cannot blow by defenders/or get off a high percentage shot, with man it is 100% easier to do, you don't have diff guys collapseing with every mose you make

If the pistons, knicks, heat or pacers played in todays NBA:

a-none of their players would make any money after the fines
b-they'd never complete a game due to fouling out
c-there'd be a lot of "superstars" crying to the media
No they would not, so your saying they would have complete dissreguard for association rules? I don't think they would be that stupid!

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JSDZ33 · 06-18-2008, 01:17 PM

why so many of these retarded jordan vs kobe threads??? NO!!!! IBTL.

ShanesG · 06-18-2008, 01:17 PM

Zone against Kobe(what MJ didn't have to face)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kYBeNQdSCc

doug · 06-18-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ShanesG

Zone against Kobe(what MJ didn't have to face)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kYBeNQdSCc

this is how you handle a zone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HDdT1oBcXA

turismo · 06-18-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ShanesG

^He never faced a team like Boston
The best defense he faced in the finals was DET. with a 6'3 guy guarding him in man coverage....Get off MJ's High Horse

What do you mean.

The early 90's:

Knicks
Detroit
Pacers
Rockets
Jazz
Bulls
etc....

would have handed the Celtics their azz! Yes, the Celtics do have a nice team. Im not taking that away from them. But Jordan in his time, was never on lock. IMO, Jordan had it rough! Teams back then where more defensive oriented and more aggressive.

doug · 06-18-2008, 01:25 PM

one elbow from Bill Lambeer and Kobe would be crying

JSDZ33 · 06-18-2008, 01:27 PM

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one elbow from Bill Lambeer and Kobe would be crying

one elbow from malone to kobe's beak and he'd be out for a season.

doug · 06-18-2008, 01:30 PM

these young guys think Ben Wallace is the example of a tough guy.. the NBA doesn't have tough guys anymore..

you want to talk about Lambeer.. Russell, Rodman, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, ... Malone.. Shaq was happy as hell when those guys retired

Lynchcrew · 06-18-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lynchcrew
Do you honestly believe Kobe is more doubled than MJ?
considering zone is legal now and most teams use it against the Lakers YES
Dude, just because there wasnt a "legal" zone, doesnt mean people didnt use a form of zone. Also, as soon as MJ touched the ball, 80% of the time a 2nd and sometimes 3rd defender was moving towards him. He was double teamed on nearly every play.

Of course it does, with zone(if executed corectly) you cannot blow by defenders/or get off a high percentage shot, with man it is 100% easier to do, you don't have diff guys collapseing with every mose you make
MJ was doubled on nearly every play. Once you have the ball, the other team could double/triple/quadruple/quintuple team you if they wished. They "wished" when MJ had the ball. Zones play soft on the perimeter, thus you get more semi open looks. Man, you have someone in your grill as much as they can be. Plus with MJ, when he beats the man up defender, every other player on the opposing team is watching and ready to help.

If the pistons, knicks, heat or pacers played in todays NBA:

a-none of their players would make any money after the fines
b-they'd never complete a game due to fouling out
c-there'd be a lot of "superstars" crying to the media
No they would not, so your saying they would have complete dissreguard for association rules? I don't think they would be that stupid!
Youre being obtuse here. Im saying that if their defense was called like the NBA is called today, theyd all be gone by the end of the 2nd quarter.

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Lynchcrew Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL Posts: 4,460 iTrader: (1)	Originally Posted by Lynchcrew Do you honestly believe Kobe is more doubled than MJ? considering zone is legal now and most teams use it against the Lakers YES Dude, just because there wasnt a "legal" zone, doesnt mean people didnt use a form of zone. Also, as soon as MJ touched the ball, 80% of the time a 2nd and sometimes 3rd defender was moving towards him. He was double teamed on nearly every play. Of course it does, with zone(if executed corectly) you cannot blow by defenders/or get off a high percentage shot, with man it is 100% easier to do, you don't have diff guys collapseing with every mose you make MJ was doubled on nearly every play. Once you have the ball, the other team could double/triple/quadruple/quintuple team you if they wished. They "wished" when MJ had the ball. Zones play soft on the perimeter, thus you get more semi open looks. Man, you have someone in your grill as much as they can be. Plus with MJ, when he beats the man up defender, every other player on the opposing team is watching and ready to help. If the pistons, knicks, heat or pacers played in todays NBA: a-none of their players would make any money after the fines b-they'd never complete a game due to fouling out c-there'd be a lot of "superstars" crying to the media No they would not, so your saying they would have complete dissreguard for association rules? I don't think they would be that stupid! Youre being obtuse here. Im saying that if their defense was called like the NBA is called today, theyd all be gone by the end of the 2nd quarter.