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Old 12-03-2008, 09:34 AM   #61
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And I force my boys to work out 2 times a day and make them guzzle protein shakes...all ofcourse while I polish the spike collar for my deadly PIT BULLS
you should be in a cage... not having dogs and children



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And I force my boys to work out 2 times a day and make them guzzle protein shakes...all ofcourse while I polish the spike collar for my deadly PIT BULLS


Reminds me of this commercial:

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I always wondered where to find them. Now I know. The idiots living out their "look at my macho dog" fantasies on this thread. If you really loved animals instead of your fantasies of what you think they say about you (you think your dog says "look at me, I'm cool! I own the worlds baddest dog and only I control him!" when what it really says is "look at me! I'm an insecure loser! Come too close and he'll bite the face off your toddler!") you wouldn't pervert animals through breeding like this.

Pathetic. You make me sad for the poor dogs, and angry at and and sorry for you, all at the same time.

Somehow I really can't help but envision all of you as manipulative control freak losers who are compensating for some personal inadequacy through your dogs.

There are a few points here that I agree with.

Anyone breeding a dog should do it through the breed standards.
Although Mateo is a great looking dog, I highly doubt he qualifies for showing.
Now if you are looking for a loving companion, get whatever dog you want. But if your plans include breeding, make sure you are staying with the breeding standards, not just trying to 'engineer' a dog to your liking.
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There are a few points here that I agree with.

Anyone breeding a dog should do it through the breed standards.
Although Mateo is a great looking dog, I highly doubt he qualifies for showing.
Now if you are looking for a loving companion, get whatever dog you want. But if your plans include breeding, make sure you are staying with the breeding standards, not just trying to 'engineer' a dog to your liking.
Uh can you show me where any of this douchebag sanderman's supposed "points" addressed breeding to the standards?
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Back yard breeding should be illegal imo. If you don't care enough to breed to standard you shouldn't associate your dog with the breed. Your dog is really just a mutt.
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Back yard breeding should be illegal imo. If you don't care enough to breed to standard you shouldn't associate your dog with the breed. Your dog is really just a mutt.
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Back yard breeding should be illegal imo. If you don't care enough to breed to standard you shouldn't associate your dog with the breed. Your dog is really just a mutt.
have you read the hole thread
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I wouldnt even go as far as calling him a mutt... If his background is what he says it is, he could drop lbs. and do shows, that can NEVER happen with a mutt. If you read my original post you'll see what i was talking about in terms of breeding. Any breeder who has done those specific testings and passed, is not a byb.... imho
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Back yard breeding should be illegal imo. If you don't care enough to breed to standard you shouldn't associate your dog with the breed. Your dog is really just a mutt.
LOL!!!!! You should tell all the people that pay $2500 for my dogs that they are buying mutts it would only be fair that they know they are not getting the real deal.

My dogs are DNA profiled AKC Amstaffs and APBTs that are genetically profiled.

My dogs have some of the most desired pedigrees around today, if you can read pedigrees you see NOTHING BUT - AKC/UKC Champions show dogs along with purple ribbon dogs and Grand Champion dogs.



<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG><FONT size=5>Pedigree for&nbsp;Soul Vendetta owned by Cornerstone Kennels<BR></FONT><FONT size=4>Blue Fawn female APBT</FONT></STRONG><FONT size=2> </FONT></FONT>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=8><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>XK-9's Iron Fox<BR>Blue Brindle<BR>(littermate to GRCH Iron Bear Booda)</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=4><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC CH Tonkawa Gray Fox<BR>Blue Brindle</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC CH Tonkawa's Big Tex OFA<BR>Red Fawn White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC CH Tonkawa Chief Red Cloud OFA<BR>Red</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC CH McIntyre's White Rock Blu Ms<BR>Blue Brindle/White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC CH Rounders Blueberry Hill CDX, OFA<BR>Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC CH Tonkawa's Big Tex OFA<BR>Red Fawn White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC CH Rounder's Precious Gem<BR>Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=4><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>Dixielands Saphire Lace of Ferris<BR>Blue Brindle</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC CH Ferris Max-A-Million<BR>Blue Brindle/White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC CH Cirkle C's Blue Thunder<BR>Blue</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC CH Cirkle C's I'm a Blueberry<BR>Blue</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>Chelsea Blue<BR>White Blue</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>Cypress BH Snooter Joe<BR>Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>Tiftowns Galant Di<BR>Black White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=8><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>Sunny Skies Soul Legacy<BR>Fawn White Black Mask</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=4><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC GRCH FL Sunshine's Senor Cirus<BR>Blue Brindle</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC CH Tonkawa Gray Fox<BR>Blue Brindle</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC CH Tonkawa Big Tex OFA<BR>Red Fawn White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC CH Rounders Blueberry Hill CDX, OFA<BR>Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC/UKC Gaff's Christy Love<BR>Blue Fawn White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC CH Sierra Lil' Percy Penny Packer<BR>Fawn/White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC/UKC GRCH Gaff's CA Zima<BR>Mahogany Brindle</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=4><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>CH Sunny Skies Sweet Kisses<BR>DNA-P<BR>Tan White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>Gaff's CA Blue Ice<BR>Blue Brindle</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC Gaff's Bakala the First/Gaff's Bakala<BR>Fawn</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>UKC CH Gaff's CA Velvet/ AKC CH Red Sky's Velvet<BR>Black/White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>GRCH 'PR' Gaff's Northern CA Grace<BR>DNA-P<BR>Fawn/White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>CH 'PR' Davenport's Coolhand Luke<BR>Brown/Black</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>GRCH Knowlwoods CA Kellsey<BR>Fawn</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P></DIV>
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This is Matteo's, AKA Mighty MUTT Pedigree. His 3rd sire was a NATIONAL GRAND CHAMPION

BTW, Matteo is the first EVER UKC Purple Ribbon Mutt, YESSSSS, Ive made history....

And as far as backyard breeding, your right the breeding does take place in my back yard, Im guilty

<STRONG><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=5>Pedigree for Mighty Matteo of Cornerstone Kennels<BR></FONT><FONT size=4>Blue Fawn White Male- </FONT></FONT></STRONG>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=8><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>XK-9's Cold Blue Steel<BR>
Blue Brindle<BR></FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=4><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>Miracola's Goodfella Gino<BR>
Blue Brindle White<BR></FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC GRCH FL. Sunshine's Senor Cirus<BR>
Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC CH Tonkawa Gray Fox<BR>
Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC/UKC Gaff's Christy Love<BR>
Blue Fawn White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>Miracola's Goodfella's Bella Blue<BR>
Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>CJ's Black Satan Timex<BR>
Black White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>CJ's Rhino's Blue Sky<BR>
Blue</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=4><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>A New Dynasty<BR>
Blue Brindle White<BR></FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC CH Tonkawa Gray Fox<BR>
Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC CH Tonkawa's Big Tex OFA<BR>
Red Fawn White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>AKC CH Rounder's Blueberry Hill CD CDX CGC OFA<BR>
Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>'PR' Rogue's Cheyenne DNA-P<BR>
Fawn</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>CH 'PR' Devenport's Coolhand Luke<BR>
Brown Black</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>GRCH Knowlwood's CA Kellsey<BR>
Tan White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<P><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>XK-9's Moonshine<BR>Black Brindle White</FONT><FONT size=3><BR></FONT></P></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=4><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>Maximus of IBK<BR>
Blue Brindle White<BR></FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>GRCH Iron Bear Booda<BR>
Blue White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>AKC/UKC CH Tonkawa Gray Fox<BR>
Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>Dixielands Sapphire Lace of Ferris<BR>
Blue Brindle White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>GRCH 'PR' Showstars Destiny's Child<BR>
Red Fawn</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>GRCH 'PR' Gaff's CA Primetime<BR>
Blue Fawn White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>CH 'PR' Nevada Be My Valentine<BR>
DNA-P<BR>
Brindle</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=4><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>'PR' Angel Eyes of IBK<BR>
Fawn White<BR></FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>CH 'PR' FL Sunshine's Larum Titano<BR>
Brindle White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>NGRCH GRCH 'PR' Larum's Hustlin' Hercules<BR>
Black Brindle White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>GRCH 'PR' Shadytown's Li'l Miss Kiana<BR>
Fawn White</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%" rowSpan=2><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>GRCH Gaff's Calif Great Athena<BR>
Fawn White</FONT></TD>
<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Sire</I><BR>GRCH 'PR' Gaff's Calif. Top Gun<BR>
Brown Black</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD width="25%"><FONT size=3><I>Dam</I><BR>CH Northern CA Gaff's Kiss Me Kate<BR>
Blue Fawn</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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I don't really care who the sire or dam were, even geniuses can have retards as children. Sale price does not determine the quality of dog. Hell, people buy Labradoodles for $2500, that doesn't suddenly make the Labradoodle a breed.

Breeding for traits that don't conform to the breed standard harms it. You obviously are breeding for the extreme qualities of your dog and you own both the sire and dam which tells me you're probably going to breed them several times. Soul Vendetta may make you a lot of money, but you're being unethical because you're selling them as a certain breed of dog when the dogs most likely won't conform to the standard at all. If the dog doesn't conform to the standard, it's nothing more than an expensive mutt.
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Damn!!!!
Amstaffs with the best blood lines can be had for about $1000 here in California. Dogs that are bred to exacting standards and will actually win shows.
I just spent a year researching before buying my dog.The MOST expensive one I looked at was $2500, And he was SchIII, scent, detection, and protection trained at the age of 22 months.



Maybe we should set up a business shipping and selling dogs. I could probably get you 20 per month. And at $1500 profit per puppy . . . . . .. . . . . . .
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I don't really care who the sire or dam were, even geniuses can have retards as children. .
Your right, your a prime example of that and Im sure your parents were not even geniuses



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Breeding for traits that don't conform to the breed standard harms it. If the dog doesn't conform to the standard, it's nothing more than an expensive mutt.
If my dogs didnt "conform to the standard" they wouldnt be AKC/UKC Grand Champions, Champions, and Purple Ribbon Dogs, but I would expect you to know that since even geniuses can have retards as children.

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If my dogs didnt "conform to the standard" they wouldnt be AKC/UKC Grand Champions, Champions, and Purple Ribbon Dogs, but I would expect you to know that since even geniuses can have retards as children.

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I know you're proud of your dogs as most dog owners are, but if you haven't shown your dogs, as you said in post #8, your dogs aren't champions and passing them off as champion quality is dishonest. Really all it means is you were smart enough to pick a dog with a good pedigree, congrats. Any reputable breeder will tell you the same thing I'm telling you. If you actually care about the breed, you should not breed these two extreme dogs. If you're in it for the money, you should take up rglbegl's offer.
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Vendetta and Matteo have been bred as of last week, pups should drop very soon !!!!!!!
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