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Old 11-06-2010, 12:44 PM   #1
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New TSA pat-down procedure expands nationwide
November 1, 2010 | 4:51 pm

If you plan to travel by air during the upcoming holiday season be ready to undergo a new, more thorough pat-down search procedure at the airport.

The new search technique used by the Transportation Security Administration allows airport security screeners to use their fingers and palms to feel and probe for hidden weapons and devices around sensitive body parts, such as the breast and groin areas.

In the past, TSA officers brushed along those body parts with the back of their hands to feel for hidden objects.

The TSA tested the more assertive pat-down technique this summer at airports in Boston and Las Vegas and has expanded the use of the procedure this weekend to airports nationwide.

"TSA is in the process of implementing new pat-down procedures at checkpoints nationwide as one of our many layers of security to keep the traveling public safe," the TSA said in a recent statement.

The manual pat-down procedure will be used on passengers who refuse to be screened using the 317 new full-body image scanners deployed at 65 airports nationwide. The new technique may also be used on passengers who evoke suspicion when undergoing other traditional screening procedures, including walk-through metal detectors.

The ACLU has complained about the full-body scanners and the new pat-down procedure, saying both violate the privacy of airline passengers.

The full-body scanners use low levels of either radiation or X-rays to create what looks like a nude image of the passengers to find weapons hidden under the clothes.

"Americans now must choose between a virtual strip search and a grope," said Chris Calabrese, a legislative counsel at the ACLU.


Here is a bit from Alex Jones who is a bit wacky.


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i mean, im not complaining. id rather have some stupid kids rubbed and fondled deeply than get blown up on a plane. i dont mean that literally, but yeah they gotta do what they gotta do. they catch weapons and knifes on kids and in kids' toys all the time, so this will hopefully deter those people
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That guy sucks. I like how he compared airport security to a man walking up and groping a child on the playground, claiming that if the man did what the security member is allowed to do it would be assault. I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to order a kid to drop his pants then grab his nuts on the play ground but doctors do it in their office. He compared apples to oranges and failed.
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If this prevents airlines from blowing up in mid flight, then tihs is the price we pay for freedom in the skies. YOu can always take the dirty dog if this much safety bothers you.
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i dont know man. where do you draw the line. i mean if someone had a bomb up their *** and blew up a plane would it then be ok for a body cavity search to be standard procedure?
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i mean i want safe skys just like the next guy but there has got to be a better way.

are there any statistics out there stating how many people have been caught with these measures?
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i dont know man. where do you draw the line. i mean if someone had a bomb up their *** and blew up a plane would it then be ok for a body cavity search to be standard procedure?
Makes me wonder if the gay boyZ would enjoy the full body searches and regurly book flights with multiple stops to repeat the body cavity searches. What would the TSA do with poo poo covered mice when they find em???
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The security should profile people and only test those subjects who appear like they are from a country of would be terrorists. It should be illegal for any brownies to fly.
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or 20 something Asian males wearing rubber masks!!!!!
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If this prevents airlines from blowing up in mid flight, then tihs is the price we pay for freedom in the skies. YOu can always take the dirty dog if this much safety bothers you.
Yeah, if a few people have to get molested so I can feel "safe" in an airplane so be it!
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The security should profile people and only test those subjects who appear like they are from a country of would be terrorists. It should be illegal for any brownies to fly.
Elohel @ the brownies comment.
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Meh I dont care.

I'd rather get on a plane knowing everybody has been fully searched, no matter if they got groped or 'nude' scanned.

People need to quit being so sensitive.
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The security should profile people and only test those subjects who appear like they are from a country of would be terrorists. It should be illegal for any brownies to fly.
That wouldn't fly because using logic and reasoning combined with basic common sense when deciphering who to "randomly" search is considered politically incorrect and racist.
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If you guys have any questions... i'll be happy to answer them, as i work for TSA. Part time right now, but i've been with them 3 years. The problem with the entire organization, is it is completely reactive, not proactive... we just changed our SOP about 2 weeks ago, thus the new pat downs... but it's because of the dumbass that wore explosives in his underwear...

Do i agree with it? no... it's a bit extreme to pat down every person that alarms the walkthrough metal detector unresolved to get a patdown... as anyone with an artificial joint is starting to realize...are there other ways we could do it? Yeah, but people aren't happy with the body scanners... which are completely misunderstood... But when they are more common, the patdowns will diminish i'm sure.

There is no way to catch 100% of anything... impossible... the best we can do is put steps in to do what we can. There is always ways of deterring our steps through... look at the border for instance... they find a way to get stuff across, and keep it up until it is caught... then try to figure out a new way... so it's a neverending cycle.

I appreciate those that understand the harm people are trying to cause on a daily basis... things get found, stopped, and detered everyday, but are not discussed on the news.

There is always worse... try flying through israel, and whine about only being able to only have a quart size bag of liquid... They just dump your bag out, look through everything, and you are on your own to put it back together...

There will always be a certain amount of freedom encroatched on... has to be... otherwise, there is no safety, there is no security.
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Meh I dont care.

I'd rather get on a plane knowing everybody has been fully searched, no matter if they got groped or 'nude' scanned.

People need to quit being so sensitive.
I completely agree.

These complaints=pussification of Amurica.
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And what's this fascination people have with their rights, regardless of the situation that they're in? The radio guy keeps mentioning rights that are violated by these searches like it's breaking news. No passenger has had the right to carry a firearm onto a plane in god knows how long. You're also not free to say whatever the hell you want while in an airport/airplane. These are the sacrifices a good majority of the people are willing to make to ensure safety. You don't want to temporarily sacrifice your rights for the short time you'll be on an airplane? Then stay the fck off the plane.
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And what's this fascination people have with their rights, regardless of the situation that they're in? The radio guy keeps mentioning rights that are violated by these searches like it's breaking news. No passenger has had the right to carry a firearm onto a plane in god knows how long. You're also not free to say whatever the hell you want while in an airport/airplane. These are the sacrifices a good majority of the people are willing to make to ensure safety. You don't want to temporarily sacrifice your rights for the short time you'll be on an airplane? Then stay the fck off the plane.
I agree... Traveling on a plane is not a right. It's a privilege.

...so I don't believe all constitutional rights apply here.

Is it REALLY that big of a deal to get your privates touched by someone who gets paid to do it ALL day? It's just a job to them. I'm sure they hate people b!tching about them doing their job just as much as I hate people b!tching about me asking for IDs when they withdraw money at my work (bank teller).

B!tch b!tch b!tch... that's all these people do.

What if they made one specific airline for these people that didn't require passengers to be searched? And the military kept a missile pointed at the planes at ALL times in case any plane tried something "smart"?
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