370 wheels on a 350 will this work correct?
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Tires pretty much standard Z33 fare..... 245/35-19F, 275/35-19R, ~23mm lowering, within .5-deg camber (at lower end of spec range), no fender work.
These are obviously not OEM/showroom Nismo wheels; rather, 370Z S-Tune accessory wheels AKA "LMZ5". Same spec as Z34 Sport wheels (but 10% lighter). These fit without spacers but to do it right and bring scrub rad back in line, spacers are needed.
Be aware factory Nismo are 9.5/10.5, same offsets. Those will also work just fine with same setup.... have those in my garage too but with 255/285 setup and no clearance issues.
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Here: https://my350z.com/forum/wheels-and-...er-thread.html
OK, here's the weird thing.... I don't recommend spacers. Don't like 'em. Period.
BUT, I use 'em. Self-contradictory? Nope, necessary evil.... particularly running 370 wheels on a 350.
If you care to, you can read all you want about my opinions on spacers here: https://my350z.com/forum/wheels-and-...t-novices.html
But OK, here's the reader's digest version:
Disclaimer: I should clarify this is not a recommendation per se and anyone reading this takes it upon themselves to do your own research.
My first set of spacers few years ago were hub centric (66.1) 15mm bolt-ons by one of the big name brands, Ichiba, IIRC. Worked fine for the application. Paid probably $90+ for a PAIR.
Next time I needed spacers for a different set of wheels on a diff car, I went on EBay (I know....cringe....) and found a set of spacers from a company right here in the SF Bay Area: http://stores.ebay.com/chaching8899/ . Figuring it'd be a short term usage, I bought a set of 15mm (same spec as above) from them and have been totally pleased with them.
Now, I have purchased ~6 additional sets for varying wheels and cars - most of those sets which I no longer use - but the point is, I couldn't tell the difference between them and the name brand ones I paid over 2.5x for.
Yeah, yeah, I know... visual inspection means next to nothing and magnafluxing the bolts and/or x-ray of the aluminum hub piece is really needed to tell if they're holding up.
But.... they worked for me. Granted, I switch up my wheels - and any spacers used with them - every 2-3 mos on average due to boredom so maybe they're actually junk; but again, worked for me.
So while not recommending them, I'll pass along that they've done their job. S'matter of fact, still have a pair of 'em on my Nismo front wheels and four of 'em on my Shiro Z.
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I have a somewhat similar question. I have a set of Z34 NISMO wheels to put on my '03 Track (Brembos), and the wheel does get extremely close to the upper suspension arm (it would be very close; so close that a stretched tire may fit but a wider one would probably hit the upper control arm) - but that's not the only issue. The wheel also doesn't sit flush on the hub; the hub grease seal flange diameter appears to be a SMIDGE wider than the inner diameter of the NISMO wheel, once you get past the tapered portion of the countersink.
Contrary to some posts, my NISMO wheels are 19x9.5 in front (same wheels as ZPirate has pics of on his blue Z).
The NISMO wheel's countersink is deep enough that a 5 mm spacer in front would push the wheel out just far enough for the hub to clear, but I'm wondering what the proper size spacer actually is. I've seen posts mentioning 5mm; I've seen up to 25mm. I want a flush appearance, or just a hair inside flush. (Prior wheels were RH J8s 19x9 front 19x10 rear, which were built with offsets expressly for the Z - but they required hub centric rings).
What really baffles me is that some people - ZPirate being one of them - said that they installed these wheels with no spacer whatsoever, and I would like to know how. So two questions (or TL;DR):
1. Is there a difference between models - or years - regarding the size of the hub grease seal ring (the part that protrudes from the mounting surface)?
2. Is there a diffference in NISMO wheels in that same area, which would allow some NISMO wheels to sit flush on any year or model Z, but not on others?
I have looked everywhere. The only information I have found conflicts.
Contrary to some posts, my NISMO wheels are 19x9.5 in front (same wheels as ZPirate has pics of on his blue Z).
The NISMO wheel's countersink is deep enough that a 5 mm spacer in front would push the wheel out just far enough for the hub to clear, but I'm wondering what the proper size spacer actually is. I've seen posts mentioning 5mm; I've seen up to 25mm. I want a flush appearance, or just a hair inside flush. (Prior wheels were RH J8s 19x9 front 19x10 rear, which were built with offsets expressly for the Z - but they required hub centric rings).
What really baffles me is that some people - ZPirate being one of them - said that they installed these wheels with no spacer whatsoever, and I would like to know how. So two questions (or TL;DR):
1. Is there a difference between models - or years - regarding the size of the hub grease seal ring (the part that protrudes from the mounting surface)?
2. Is there a diffference in NISMO wheels in that same area, which would allow some NISMO wheels to sit flush on any year or model Z, but not on others?
I have looked everywhere. The only information I have found conflicts.
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I have a somewhat similar question. I have a set of Z34 NISMO wheels to put on my '03 Track (Brembos), and the wheel does get extremely close to the upper suspension arm (it would be very close; so close that a stretched tire may fit but a wider one would probably hit the upper control arm) - but that's not the only issue. The wheel also doesn't sit flush on the hub; the hub grease seal flange diameter appears to be a SMIDGE wider than the inner diameter of the NISMO wheel, once you get past the tapered portion of the countersink.
Contrary to some posts, my NISMO wheels are 19x9.5 in front (same wheels as ZPirate has pics of on his blue Z).
The NISMO wheel's countersink is deep enough that a 5 mm spacer in front would push the wheel out just far enough for the hub to clear, but I'm wondering what the proper size spacer actually is. I've seen posts mentioning 5mm; I've seen up to 25mm. I want a flush appearance, or just a hair inside flush. (Prior wheels were RH J8s 19x9 front 19x10 rear, which were built with offsets expressly for the Z - but they required hub centric rings).
What really baffles me is that some people - ZPirate being one of them - said that they installed these wheels with no spacer whatsoever, and I would like to know how. So two questions (or TL;DR):
1. Is there a difference between models - or years - regarding the size of the hub grease seal ring (the part that protrudes from the mounting surface)?
2. Is there a diffference in NISMO wheels in that same area, which would allow some NISMO wheels to sit flush on any year or model Z, but not on others?
I have looked everywhere. The only information I have found conflicts.
Contrary to some posts, my NISMO wheels are 19x9.5 in front (same wheels as ZPirate has pics of on his blue Z).
The NISMO wheel's countersink is deep enough that a 5 mm spacer in front would push the wheel out just far enough for the hub to clear, but I'm wondering what the proper size spacer actually is. I've seen posts mentioning 5mm; I've seen up to 25mm. I want a flush appearance, or just a hair inside flush. (Prior wheels were RH J8s 19x9 front 19x10 rear, which were built with offsets expressly for the Z - but they required hub centric rings).
What really baffles me is that some people - ZPirate being one of them - said that they installed these wheels with no spacer whatsoever, and I would like to know how. So two questions (or TL;DR):
1. Is there a difference between models - or years - regarding the size of the hub grease seal ring (the part that protrudes from the mounting surface)?
2. Is there a diffference in NISMO wheels in that same area, which would allow some NISMO wheels to sit flush on any year or model Z, but not on others?
I have looked everywhere. The only information I have found conflicts.
On fitting wheel to the hub, the only real issue one might run into is a bit of corrosion build up on the hub lip. Run some 220 grit (or whatever you have available) around the outer edge of the lip and wipe it clean. Oh, and make sure you've removed the old hub ring.... yes, I've missed that little detail a couple of times. Ooops.
On spacer size, well, on the OEM Z34 Nismo wheels with the +47mm offset, I suggest a 20mm spacer, making the effective offset +27. This will bring your front wheels out 22mm (from stock 8" wide Track-1 wheels) and will be pretty flush (or as close to flush without needing any fender work or removal of the liner screw).
Fits fine with 245/35-19 or 255/35-19 FRONT. (And for reference, rear 275/35 or 285/35 is fine, no fender work unless extremely lowered.)
Again, this set up works just fine with conservative drop ( < 25mm ) and "within spec" front wheel alignment - all settings.
Installing any of these wheels WITHOUT spacers is achievable (bolt 'em on) BUT without restoring proper offset to the front end, the gains from the larger wheel/tire is negated somewhat by the "wrong (high) offset" but they will CLEAR suspension and brakes, but just won't feel right, steering wise.
If you're still experiencing fit issues after cleaning the hub and checking for a hub ring erroneously left on the hub, something else is going on, don't know what... this is a really straight forward swap.
Last edited by MicVelo; 05-16-2016 at 07:30 AM.
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Heritage (05-16-2016)
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NO. ALL Nissan wheels (discussed in this thread for sure) are 66.1mm hub bore size. ALL Z hubs are 66.1mm. You should NOT have a problem mounting these at all.
On fitting wheel to the hub, the only real issue one might run into is a bit of corrosion build up on the hub lip. Run some 220 grit (or whatever you have available) around the outer edge of the lip and wipe it clean. Oh, and make sure you've removed the old hub ring.... yes, I've missed that little detail a couple of times. Ooops.
On spacer size, well, on the OEM Z34 Nismo wheels with the +47mm offset, I suggest a 20mm spacer, making the effective offset +27. This will bring your front wheels out 22mm (from stock 8" wide Track-1 wheels) and will be pretty flush (or as close to flush without needing any fender work or removal of the liner screw).
Fits fine with 245/35-19 or 255/35-19 FRONT. (And for reference, rear 275/35 or 285/35 is fine, no fender work unless extremely lowered.)
Again, this set up works just fine with conservative drop ( < 25mm ) and "within spec" front wheel alignment - all settings.
Installing any of these wheels WITHOUT spacers is achievable (bolt 'em on) BUT without restoring proper offset to the front end, the gains from the larger wheel/tire is negated somewhat by the "wrong (high) offset" but they will CLEAR suspension and brakes, but just won't feel right, steering wise.
If you're still experiencing fit issues after cleaning the hub and checking for a hub ring erroneously left on the hub, something else is going on, don't know what... this is a really straight forward swap.
On fitting wheel to the hub, the only real issue one might run into is a bit of corrosion build up on the hub lip. Run some 220 grit (or whatever you have available) around the outer edge of the lip and wipe it clean. Oh, and make sure you've removed the old hub ring.... yes, I've missed that little detail a couple of times. Ooops.
On spacer size, well, on the OEM Z34 Nismo wheels with the +47mm offset, I suggest a 20mm spacer, making the effective offset +27. This will bring your front wheels out 22mm (from stock 8" wide Track-1 wheels) and will be pretty flush (or as close to flush without needing any fender work or removal of the liner screw).
Fits fine with 245/35-19 or 255/35-19 FRONT. (And for reference, rear 275/35 or 285/35 is fine, no fender work unless extremely lowered.)
Again, this set up works just fine with conservative drop ( < 25mm ) and "within spec" front wheel alignment - all settings.
Installing any of these wheels WITHOUT spacers is achievable (bolt 'em on) BUT without restoring proper offset to the front end, the gains from the larger wheel/tire is negated somewhat by the "wrong (high) offset" but they will CLEAR suspension and brakes, but just won't feel right, steering wise.
If you're still experiencing fit issues after cleaning the hub and checking for a hub ring erroneously left on the hub, something else is going on, don't know what... this is a really straight forward swap.
The other thing I'm working on is the ability to use aftermarket lugs on the wheels, instead of the OEM mag shank style.
It's clearly a no no to attempt tapered lugs in a mag shank wheel, but they are adaptable, with the proper washers - it just also requires extended studs to ensure sufficient thread engagement, and I would expect that a 20mm spacer would allow me to kill two birds with one stone: new studs long enough to engage the type of lug nut w/adapter I want, without having to remove the original hubs and pound out the OEM studs.
Thanks!
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I appreciate the input, Mic. It did seem extremely close to wanting to fit, and I suppose the NISMO wheel was meant to use the OEM hub as a centric fit.
The other thing I'm working on is the ability to use aftermarket lugs on the wheels, instead of the OEM mag shank style.
It's clearly a no no to attempt tapered lugs in a mag shank wheel, but they are adaptable, with the proper washers - it just also requires extended studs to ensure sufficient thread engagement, and I would expect that a 20mm spacer would allow me to kill two birds with one stone: new studs long enough to engage the type of lug nut w/adapter I want, without having to remove the original hubs and pound out the OEM studs.
Thanks!
The other thing I'm working on is the ability to use aftermarket lugs on the wheels, instead of the OEM mag shank style.
It's clearly a no no to attempt tapered lugs in a mag shank wheel, but they are adaptable, with the proper washers - it just also requires extended studs to ensure sufficient thread engagement, and I would expect that a 20mm spacer would allow me to kill two birds with one stone: new studs long enough to engage the type of lug nut w/adapter I want, without having to remove the original hubs and pound out the OEM studs.
Thanks!
In theory, your plan to use longer studs AND special washers - which would need to be conical/concave seems like an extreme measure when you can just buy a set of 370 lugs for cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Chrome-Ma...dW-xrL&vxp=mtr
Or whatever tuner brand you want; I just pulled this up quickly on EBayus....
Have fun!
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You're welcome. But I caution you on attempting to use conical lugs on wheels not meant for them. It's not just about the length of the studs; the wheels themselves are what determine what lug you need to use and 370 wheels have a flat mounting surface and hole diameter necessitating shanked lugs, not conical.
In theory, your plan to use longer studs AND special washers - which would need to be conical/concave seems like an extreme measure when you can just buy a set of 370 lugs for cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Chrome-Ma...dW-xrL&vxp=mtr
Or whatever tuner brand you want; I just pulled this up quickly on EBayus....
Have fun!
In theory, your plan to use longer studs AND special washers - which would need to be conical/concave seems like an extreme measure when you can just buy a set of 370 lugs for cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Chrome-Ma...dW-xrL&vxp=mtr
Or whatever tuner brand you want; I just pulled this up quickly on EBayus....
Have fun!
I don't know if the problem is that there isn't a large enough market for mag shank lug nuts in an array of (lightweight) options, but I've seen exactly two colors: chrome, and black.
Bleh.
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