19x9.5 19x11 tire stretching need help
06-09-2016, 11:22 AM
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I can also relate to your situation being that I am one year older than you and just completed my second year of college while working full-time to afford the Z. I know EXACTLY how that grind goes. Like my original post stated I just yesterday got my new tires on which ran me $1,200 when it was all said and done.
This style of car is more demanding than your average commuter car. Even just the recommended premium fuel is one example. These cars are meant to be driven in a spirited manner and in most cases they are. From the get-go I really was just trying to help you both understand what you were asking and potentially help you to avoid making a purchase you might regret.
Sure wide, cambered out stretched tires may look nice if they're done right but most of us Z owners know that powering through the corners with ease is half the fun.
06-09-2016, 11:22 AM
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06-09-2016, 11:25 AM
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I honestly was not trying to "flame" you whatsoever. I just lurked in this thread for a LONG time before I decided to post so I had somewhat a lay of the land.
I can also relate to your situation being that I am one year older than you and just completed my second year of college while working full-time to afford the Z. I know EXACTLY how that grind goes. Like my original post stated I just yesterday got my new tires on which ran me $1,200 when it was all said and done.
This style of car is more demanding than your average commuter car. Even just the recommended premium fuel is one example. These cars are meant to be driven in a spirited manner and in most cases they are. From the get-go I really was just trying to help you both understand what you were asking and potentially help you to avoid making a purchase you might regret.
Sure wide, cambered out stretched tires may look nice if they're done right but most of us Z owners know that powering through the corners with ease is half the fun.
I can also relate to your situation being that I am one year older than you and just completed my second year of college while working full-time to afford the Z. I know EXACTLY how that grind goes. Like my original post stated I just yesterday got my new tires on which ran me $1,200 when it was all said and done.
This style of car is more demanding than your average commuter car. Even just the recommended premium fuel is one example. These cars are meant to be driven in a spirited manner and in most cases they are. From the get-go I really was just trying to help you both understand what you were asking and potentially help you to avoid making a purchase you might regret.
Sure wide, cambered out stretched tires may look nice if they're done right but most of us Z owners know that powering through the corners with ease is half the fun.
06-09-2016, 11:30 AM
#64
Okay I feel you man I just thought you were trying to fry yes I could leave my car stock but I love messing with my car yeah they might not be the best wheels but I still think it would look good that's all and I wanted hep for you guys to make sure it doesn't looks like rice or a civic
In the future always try googling your question first because 9/10 it's been asked many many times or something close has been. As a closing sort of note don't ever let your age be an excuse for something. Being young myself I understand that it is a fantastic place to be. Look at all the time you have in front of you to make your dreams into goals into realities.
06-09-2016, 11:36 AM
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The wheels were the first thing I changed. The gunmetal RPF1's went straight on. These cars are amazing in their stock form and get even better with a few tasteful mods (Better brakes, sway bars, etc.) There are also plenty of mods that are a detriment to the car. The G/Z community overall is extremely friendly and especially the forums here... So long as you know how to navigate the potentially treacherous waters.
In the future always try googling your question first because 9/10 it's been asked many many times or something close has been. As a closing sort of note don't ever let your age be an excuse for something. Being young myself I understand that it is a fantastic place to be. Look at all the time you have in front of you to make your dreams into goals into realities.
In the future always try googling your question first because 9/10 it's been asked many many times or something close has been. As a closing sort of note don't ever let your age be an excuse for something. Being young myself I understand that it is a fantastic place to be. Look at all the time you have in front of you to make your dreams into goals into realities.
Ask random bs, and you get random bs. Age is never a tool of argument. There are guys half my age with twice my knowledge and experience, and vice versa.
Cars should ALWAYS be on the BOTTOM of the list of responsibilities. Focus on schools and bills. The toys can wait.
06-09-2016, 12:34 PM
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06-09-2016, 12:54 PM
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Holy shitola how is this in page 4, I read the first page thinking I would chime in and boom page 4 nobody got time for that...
Run 235/35/19 front 255/35/19... They will be stretched they wont rub your car will look silly and will likely handle like the poo
Or go get some 18 inch wheels and run 255/40 front 275/40 rears like everyone else because this car has been around since Y2K almost and thats been the go too tire set-up.
Run 235/35/19 front 255/35/19... They will be stretched they wont rub your car will look silly and will likely handle like the poo
Or go get some 18 inch wheels and run 255/40 front 275/40 rears like everyone else because this car has been around since Y2K almost and thats been the go too tire set-up.
06-09-2016, 01:32 PM
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Long response.....
Start with the 19" Tire Availability Grid:
225 45% 18 25.97 Stock Reference Size
245 45% 18 26.68 Stock Reference Size
235 35% 19 25.48
245 35% 19 25.75 Front-Alternate
245 40% 19 26.72
245 45% 19 27.68
255 35% 19 26.03 Front-Alternate
255 40% 19 27.03
265 30% 19 25.26
265 35% 19 26.30 Stock Nismo-Rear
275 30% 19 25.50
275 35% 19 26.58 Rear-Best Alternate
275 40% 19 27.66
285 40% 19 27.98
285 35% 19 26.85 Rear-2nd Best Alternate
285 30% 19 25.73
295 30% 19 25.97
295 35% 19 27.13
305 30% 19 26.20
305 35% 19 27.41
All available sizes left in to compare - and understand why some are just not suitable at all.
That's it for tires. Anything other is the wrong height - the critical measurement to keep in mind when upgrading, Plus-1. Plus-2.
Width and Offset
Next, the width stagger F-to-R should NOT exceed 30mm UNLESS you are tuning the car for a specific competition purpose (say, drift, rally) where you have other means (mechanical) to control the over/understeer that will result from staggering beyond what's good for the suspension.
And you know what and why you're doing it.
If you - that's anyone - doesn't understand these terms, best to go with KNOWN combinations that are PROVEN for street driven vehicles.
Then, there's the wheel width and offset which can easily be calculated using the tire calculator, found here: https://my350z.com/forum/tire_rim_calculator.php
This is an invaluable tool (or any of the others out there like the one on 1010 tires that many people like as well).
Just a quick one pass shows that a 19x11 +15 will push the wheel out 49mm from stock. You can take a steel ruler to your car and make your own determination. I shouldn't have to spell out what the results will be for you.
So, the multiple bottom line:
- Choose your tires THEN your wheels. ALWAYS.
- Aggressive tire/wheel fitment, while it may look cool to some, have very definite downsides:
1. Too small of a tire ( < 90% of the wheel width) is unsafe due to sidewall tension being far greater than the tire was designed leading to potential bead failure.
2. Too large of a tire ( > 1.2x of the wheel width) isn't AS unsafe but resulting performance is not optimized as the tires start to get sloppy as the sidewalls become too lax to maintain the tire's tread correctly.)
3. Having to "camber out" a car beyond spec - just to fit a tire - is bad for several reasons:
- Diminished handling: Some camber is good for fast road/track work but too much offers a point of diminished performance return. Think of the graph that goes up and up and up then bam......performance drops off like a rockslide.
- Tire wear: pretty obvious that when the inside of the tire is the main contact with the road during that 98% of the time you're not pulling a g through a turn, it's going to wear.
And, it will wear badly because a tire is designed to handle a particular weight (load rating) and when half or less of the tread is handling 80+% of the load, the tire's going to overheat and eat itself up from the inside out.
- Increased hardware deterioration - Most notably, your wheel bearings will die prematurely from the high load of having all the weight too far from center load distribution, resulting, again, in overheating and will puke it's grease more quickly than a person drinking sour milk. Result is as above, it will eat itself from the inside out.... and you won't know it until it fails and all the needle/ball bearings fall out or it just STOPS from seizing.
Shall I go on?
I say this with no disrespect to anyone from the stance guys to the racers, and the large middle ground of everyone else.... but tire and wheel selection is perhaps the BIGGEST mistake that people make if not well versed on it.
If you are a novice (and we all were at one time or another, not just on cars but in life), take advice given with an educated and logically skeptical POV. Don't believe everything, do your own research on the answers that you get to verify what people are saying and THEN, proceed based upon your own conclusions, not what everyone tells you to do.
Start with the 19" Tire Availability Grid:
225 45% 18 25.97 Stock Reference Size
245 45% 18 26.68 Stock Reference Size
235 35% 19 25.48
245 35% 19 25.75 Front-Alternate
245 40% 19 26.72
245 45% 19 27.68
255 35% 19 26.03 Front-Alternate
255 40% 19 27.03
265 30% 19 25.26
265 35% 19 26.30 Stock Nismo-Rear
275 30% 19 25.50
275 35% 19 26.58 Rear-Best Alternate
275 40% 19 27.66
285 40% 19 27.98
285 35% 19 26.85 Rear-2nd Best Alternate
285 30% 19 25.73
295 30% 19 25.97
295 35% 19 27.13
305 30% 19 26.20
305 35% 19 27.41
All available sizes left in to compare - and understand why some are just not suitable at all.
That's it for tires. Anything other is the wrong height - the critical measurement to keep in mind when upgrading, Plus-1. Plus-2.
Width and Offset
Next, the width stagger F-to-R should NOT exceed 30mm UNLESS you are tuning the car for a specific competition purpose (say, drift, rally) where you have other means (mechanical) to control the over/understeer that will result from staggering beyond what's good for the suspension.
And you know what and why you're doing it.
If you - that's anyone - doesn't understand these terms, best to go with KNOWN combinations that are PROVEN for street driven vehicles.
Then, there's the wheel width and offset which can easily be calculated using the tire calculator, found here: https://my350z.com/forum/tire_rim_calculator.php
This is an invaluable tool (or any of the others out there like the one on 1010 tires that many people like as well).
Just a quick one pass shows that a 19x11 +15 will push the wheel out 49mm from stock. You can take a steel ruler to your car and make your own determination. I shouldn't have to spell out what the results will be for you.
So, the multiple bottom line:
- Choose your tires THEN your wheels. ALWAYS.
- Aggressive tire/wheel fitment, while it may look cool to some, have very definite downsides:
1. Too small of a tire ( < 90% of the wheel width) is unsafe due to sidewall tension being far greater than the tire was designed leading to potential bead failure.
2. Too large of a tire ( > 1.2x of the wheel width) isn't AS unsafe but resulting performance is not optimized as the tires start to get sloppy as the sidewalls become too lax to maintain the tire's tread correctly.)
3. Having to "camber out" a car beyond spec - just to fit a tire - is bad for several reasons:
- Diminished handling: Some camber is good for fast road/track work but too much offers a point of diminished performance return. Think of the graph that goes up and up and up then bam......performance drops off like a rockslide.
- Tire wear: pretty obvious that when the inside of the tire is the main contact with the road during that 98% of the time you're not pulling a g through a turn, it's going to wear.
And, it will wear badly because a tire is designed to handle a particular weight (load rating) and when half or less of the tread is handling 80+% of the load, the tire's going to overheat and eat itself up from the inside out.
- Increased hardware deterioration - Most notably, your wheel bearings will die prematurely from the high load of having all the weight too far from center load distribution, resulting, again, in overheating and will puke it's grease more quickly than a person drinking sour milk. Result is as above, it will eat itself from the inside out.... and you won't know it until it fails and all the needle/ball bearings fall out or it just STOPS from seizing.
Shall I go on?
I say this with no disrespect to anyone from the stance guys to the racers, and the large middle ground of everyone else.... but tire and wheel selection is perhaps the BIGGEST mistake that people make if not well versed on it.
If you are a novice (and we all were at one time or another, not just on cars but in life), take advice given with an educated and logically skeptical POV. Don't believe everything, do your own research on the answers that you get to verify what people are saying and THEN, proceed based upon your own conclusions, not what everyone tells you to do.
Last edited by MicVelo; 06-09-2016 at 01:37 PM. Reason: spelin erurs
06-09-2016, 02:24 PM
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One of my other philosophies of life.
"Be taken seriously.
But not THAT seriously."
Seems trav and T'bo understand my philosophy. Hahahahahahaha!
Mike.... spreadsheet. Got tired of re-typing and using a calculator every time. But yes, I have just about every car calculation (tires, alignment, gear ratios, etc.) I need in a spreadsheet. Or bookmarked for the online calculators of such things.
"Be taken seriously.
But not THAT seriously."
Seems trav and T'bo understand my philosophy. Hahahahahahaha!
Mike.... spreadsheet. Got tired of re-typing and using a calculator every time. But yes, I have just about every car calculation (tires, alignment, gear ratios, etc.) I need in a spreadsheet. Or bookmarked for the online calculators of such things.
06-09-2016, 04:11 PM
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Here's the current pics of my front set up.
9.5 wheel width front. Tire size = 245/35/R19.
I run 285/30/R19 in the rear on a 10.5 inch wheel.
06-09-2016, 04:39 PM
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06-09-2016, 05:10 PM
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