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I have to get a rear fender roll for tire fitment 18x10, 275/35 18 w/22 offset. Lowered 3/4 inch with Nismo S-Tune suspension, stock camber

Don't wont to buy a roller and no one rents one locally so i'm getting a body shop to do it. My question is is there a safe amount of roll to reduce the chance of paint damage? - assuming stock is at 9 o'clock and tight would be 12 o'clock.

I'm sure the shop is going to ask how aggressive i want to go.

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plan to damage paint

http://www.eastwood.com/ew-fender-ro...struction.html

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My fenders are almost all the way rolled up.....what's the point if you don't move 'em all the way out of the way? Not a single paint break/crack along the whole 100-120 deg arc. Might occur down the road but hardly a problem, I coated the entire edge of the wheelwell to within 6"
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Fender rolling always results in rusting if you are in Minnesota.

That might be the case in Ontario.

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Originally Posted by carbuffguy
I have to get a rear fender roll for tire fitment 18x10, 275/35 18 w/22 offset. Lowered 3/4 inch with Nismo suspension, stock camber

Don't wont to buy a roller and no one rents one locally so i'm getting a body shop to do it. My question is is there a safe amount of roll to reduce the chance of paint damage? - assuming stock is at 9 o'clock and tight would be 12 o'clock.

I'm sure the shop is going to ask how aggressive i want to go.

Thanks
The OEM Nismo suspension won't lower the car, but the S-Tune will.
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Originally Posted by dcains
The OEM Nismo suspension won't lower the car, but the S-Tune will.
Sorry it is the S-tune
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Originally Posted by Spike100
Fender rolling always results in rusting if you are in Minnesota.

That might be the case in Ontario.
She never sees any salt
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Originally Posted by MicVelo
My fenders are almost all the way rolled up.....what's the point if you don't move 'em all the way out of the way? Not a single paint break/crack along the whole 100-120 deg arc. Might occur down the road but hardly a problem, I coated the entire edge of the wheelwell to within 6"
What did you coat with?
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Are you rubbing now?
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Originally Posted by Spike100
Are you rubbing now?
No, i don't have the wheels and tires mounted yet. I'm going to roll the rear and install front UCAs for camber before i put them on. That's the plan anyway.
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Originally Posted by carbuffguy
What did you coat with?
Steel brush to clean out the area behind the lip, silicone sealer in the lip-to-fender gap to slow/stop moisture retention, spray undercoating, sprayed from the inside outwards.
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Originally Posted by Spike100
Are you rubbing now?
Originally Posted by carbuffguy
No, i don't have the wheels and tires mounted yet. I'm going to roll the rear and install front UCAs for camber before i put them on. That's the plan anyway.
I ask because I’m lowered < 1 inch and running 275/40-18” 9.5” on 15mm offset wheels, and I don’t rub.

Your setup might rub, but you may want to try it out (mount your new wheels and tires) before rolling your fenders.

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Originally Posted by Spike100
I ask because I’m lowered < 1 inch and running 275/40-18” 9.5” on 15mm offset wheels, and I don’t rub.

Your setup might rub, but you may want to try it out (mount your new wheels and tires) before rolling your fenders.
I have the wheels and the rubber i'm ordering this week. I'll definitely slap them on first and see how it looks without spacers. I have some 15mm spacers for the rears, (that fit with my 19x9.5 LM GT4s) that's where i'm thinking i might need a roll. Time will tell - just getting my ducks in line until then...it's a long winter here with nothing much to do but look at online parts and search and plan, search and plan...I'm hoping my 18X10 w/275/35 18s look okay in the hole??. No plans on lowering anymore than the S-Tune is.
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I hear and understand you about winter.

My 9.5” wheels at 15 mm offset will put the outside of my tires at about the same position you will have with your 10” wheels with 22 mm offset. Your wheels are wider, but the 22mm offset moves the wheel more inboard.

Here is a picture of my fitment.



Our cars are also dropped about the same amount (0.6”). You have Nismo S-Tune springs and I have Tein S-Tech springs.

One difference is our respective tire sizes. You are going to mount 275/35-18 and I have 275/40-18 (as seen in the picture). Your setup will likely have more vertical gap.

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I have the wheels and the rubber i'm ordering this week. I'll definitely slap them on first and see how it looks without spacers. I have some 15mm spacers for the rears, (that fit with my 19x9.5 LM GT4s) that's where i'm thinking i might need a roll. Time will tell - just getting my ducks in line until then...it's a long winter here with nothing much to do but look at online parts and search and plan, search and plan...I'm hoping my 18X10 w/275/35 18s look okay in the hole??. No plans on lowering anymore than the S-Tune is.
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Just curious... why 275/35? And are you running them square?

I only ask cuz they're 0.45" and 1.1" shorter than OEM F-R, respective.

As Spike notes, the 275/40 is the correct height for rear. (And 245/40 or 255/40 fronts.

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I have the same question that Mic asks.

The only reason I imagine mounting 275/35-18" on the rear is if your car is setup primarily for the track. If your car is setup for the street, you should have 275/40-18" on the rear.
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Originally Posted by MicVelo
Just curious... why 275/35? And are you running them square?

I only ask cuz they're 0.45" and 1.1" shorter than OEM F-R, respective.

As Spike notes, the 275/40 is the correct height for rear. (And 245/40 or 255/40 fronts.
Mik and Spike...

Ya the setup will be square, the 35 instead of 40 just for the stronger sidewall. I wanted square with this setup so i can rotate and for a more neutral feel for AX. I had waaay too much under steer last year with the staggered setup. Ordered the rubber today, going to give the RE-71 a try. Might wish i went with the RE-11 but i think Bridgestone might be cheating a bit with the 200 tread ware label on the RE-71.

Don't panic, i still have my 8.5 and 9.5, 19 inch LM GT4 wheels with good, near new rubber - 245/35 and 275/35 that feel real nice for day trips or extenda drives. Crazy yes, nuts no...according to me that is

BTW Spike, thanks for the picture. I'll be happy if my rear fitment is close to that and I agree with your math, i think my 15mm spacers will be out of the question and i'd rather not roll anyway.
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Your 15mm spacers with the 22mm offset on 10” wide wheels give your 10” wheels a 7mm offset. That will be close to the 10.5” wide Enkei wheels with a 15mm offset, so your probably OK. You’re going to be about ½” more outboard than you see in my picture.

I think you already know/stated the following, but just so it’s obvious to others reading your excellent thread here:
  1. If you don’t mount the spacers, your wheel/tire setup will look like the picture I posted of my car. And, you probably won’t need to roll the fear fenders.
  2. If you do mount the spacers, your setup will be more like 10.5” wheels with a 15mm offset, and you will probably need to roll the rear fenders.

Please post some pictures here when you get the tires and wheels on your car. I think your experience will be very helpful to readers here. You have a very good thread going on here.
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Originally Posted by Spike100
Your 15mm spacers with the 22mm offset on 10” wide wheels give your 10” wheels a 7mm offset. That will be close to the 10.5” wide Enkei wheels with a 15mm offset, so your probably OK. You’re going to be about ½” more outboard than you see in my picture.

I think you already know/stated the following, but just so it’s obvious to others reading your excellent thread here:
  1. If you don’t mount the spacers, your wheel/tire setup will look like the picture I posted of my car. And, you probably won’t need to roll the fear fenders.
  2. If you do mount the spacers, your setup will be more like 10.5” wheels with a 15mm offset, and you will probably need to roll the rear fenders.

Please post some pictures here when you get the tires and wheels on your car. I think your experience will be very helpful to readers here. You have a very good thread going on here.
Will do with the pictures, I'll go 19s then 18s (both factory camber) then 18s after fuca install and alignment with neg 2.5 - 3 front camber and neg 2 rear camber and finish with the 18s without the spacers and with them.

Be patient, it's only February, probably the end of march before the salts off the road and she goes for alignment
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Originally Posted by Spike100
Your 15mm spacers with the 22mm offset on 10” wide wheels give your 10” wheels a 7mm offset. That will be close to the 10.5” wide Enkei wheels with a 15mm offset, so your probably OK. You’re going to be about ½” more outboard than you see in my picture.

I think you already know/stated the following, but just so it’s obvious to others reading your excellent thread here:
  1. If you don’t mount the spacers, your wheel/tire setup will look like the picture I posted of my car. And, you probably won’t need to roll the fear fenders.
  2. If you do mount the spacers, your setup will be more like 10.5” wheels with a 15mm offset, and you will probably need to roll the rear fenders.



Please post some pictures here when you get the tires and wheels on your car. I think your experience will be very helpful to readers here. You have a very good thread going on here.
Finally... really busy right now and had some wheel stud and brake issues to tend to first. But anyway for those interested in tire/wheel fitment...

Enkei GTC01 10" x 18" 22mm offset - front and back
Bridgestone RE71r 275/35 18 square
S-Tune suspension
No fender roll
No wheel spacers
No rubbing
-2 camber front - w/Z1 FUCAs
-1.7 camber rear (OEM -no after market camber arms or toe bolts)

*For comparison I will post pictures w/19" wheels on when I get them back on


Fronts









Rears





Fender gap







And a little eye candy from the shop...



My tires made that picture...



The cars are still in winter storage...but it's June

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