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11-19-2002, 08:14 AM
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The S2k is a pretty neat car... I just can't find a comfortable position in it. I don't even have enough room to actuate the clutch, let alone raise the roof on it.
One of these days, maybe Honda will give me the opportunity to own one of their cars. But if they keep building them in the dimensions they have, I'll keep having to go to the competition.
One of these days, maybe Honda will give me the opportunity to own one of their cars. But if they keep building them in the dimensions they have, I'll keep having to go to the competition.
11-19-2002, 09:29 AM
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thats true.... and about it being a weekend driver ... HA i wish i had the luxery of having one of those... kekeke... i am barely affording the z so it is goin to be my daily commuter... so the s2000 now are 2002 .... hmmm. that is interesting.... you know this problem would never be here if the damn z had a sunroof!!! o well.... see i am stressing this so much becuz i am goin to have this car for a long time.... and i don't want to regret not having a sunroof or a hard drop top like the s2000 but then again i don't want to regret the power and elegance of the z.... damn ... thanks for the input guys... imma see what the dealer says on the s2k and see what he offers... if i can get it under msrp then i think i might get the the s2000.... argh... i dunno... i will tell you guys what happened later tonite after the test drive
11-19-2002, 10:39 AM
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to much
sounds like their over charging you $2000. This time of the year in your neck of the woods you should be able to get a 03 for MSRP. Which was about 32600 the last time I looked. If their trying to sell you a 02 I'd be looking for a good size discount.
btw: I would not get the honda for the sole reason of it being available now. I mean neither one of them is worth a damn in the snow, so you shouldn't be driving them in your area till spring anyway.
I think the Z is more car, but the S2000 is more fun. I'll take one of each
btw: I would not get the honda for the sole reason of it being available now. I mean neither one of them is worth a damn in the snow, so you shouldn't be driving them in your area till spring anyway.
I think the Z is more car, but the S2000 is more fun. I'll take one of each
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11-19-2002, 11:02 AM
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Snow? In Maryland?
You're joking, right?
You probably get lots of snow in Michigan, but speaking as a Maryland native who's lived all of his 47 years in the Free State, we have only 4-5 days a year when snow is actually lying on the ground. We get occasional flurries, but usually if it snows and inch or so one day, the next day it warms up or rains, and it's all gone.
The streets are generally cleared fairly promptly, so it's usually only the first 12 hours of snow that prevent you from driving a light car. I've owned a Miata for 5 years, and only once have I been unable to go somewhere I wanted to go because of snow.
Forget the S! Go for the Z!
You probably get lots of snow in Michigan, but speaking as a Maryland native who's lived all of his 47 years in the Free State, we have only 4-5 days a year when snow is actually lying on the ground. We get occasional flurries, but usually if it snows and inch or so one day, the next day it warms up or rains, and it's all gone.
The streets are generally cleared fairly promptly, so it's usually only the first 12 hours of snow that prevent you from driving a light car. I've owned a Miata for 5 years, and only once have I been unable to go somewhere I wanted to go because of snow.
Forget the S! Go for the Z!
11-19-2002, 12:40 PM
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about to test drive the s2000 later today.... is the lack of torque really that bad... i mean the car has 9 grand to go in every gear to make up for it right? i kno people launch at 7 grand to get the 0-60 numbers at 6 ..... i don't plan on doing that .... i like to have a clutch for at least a month.... and another thing is i know the 350z is faster and looks NICE AS HELL... but for speed wise ... there are many aftermarket parts now for the s2k... i dunno... we'll see after the test drive....
about to test drive the s2000 later today.... is the lack of torque really that bad... i mean the car has 9 grand to go in every gear to make up for it right? i kno people launch at 7 grand to get the 0-60 numbers at 6 ..... i don't plan on doing that .... i like to have a clutch for at least a month.... and another thing is i know the 350z is faster and looks NICE AS HELL... but for speed wise ... there are many aftermarket parts now for the s2k... i dunno... we'll see after the test drive....
The torque is not this evil demon that everyone likes to make it out to be. It has plenty of torque for a 2.0 liter engine, and even accelerating at half throttle, shifting at 4500rpm, you will leave most traffic behind at a stop light. (people accelerating normal that is)
It does not have the down low torque of a 350Z or a Mustang GT, but it has plenty to be driven daily, and be a peppy car. Then, when your instict hits you right, rev that baby to 9000rpm and you will have the biggest
on your face. By the way, I was nailing 14.0xx times at the track launching at 4500rpm last time. So no, 7000rpm clutch dumps aren't required.
Also, I race a LOT, and dump the clutch a LOT, both street and the track (i'm a race *****, just ask S2ki.com) and my car has 24,000 miles on it. clutch is fine, and car is fine. It can take it plenty.
11-19-2002, 05:26 PM
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test drove the s2000 and DAMN!!! low end torque being low wasn't that big of a problem... after i hit vtec i got excited!!! crusing on the highway with the top down... with the (&#$^*&#^$ 60 watt system blaring.... i loved it.... then the dealer guy told me he had a s2000 and he got intake and exhaust and he told me he spanked a z.... i said ********... he went in the back and got a video clip of the race... the z jumped ahead and then the s2000 pulled on him with ease... i was dumbfounded!!! i dunno.... he is trying to sell me the 02 yellow spa s2000 for 29,999 but it has 500 miles on it from the manager driving it... he said that it is flexible though... and he has a 03 for sale and he said he can work with me on that tooo... so what should i do.... 02 s2k... 03 s2k or wait for the no sunroof z..... this is a hard *** decesion!!! anyone in MD wanna give me a ride so i can feel what its like.... please....
11-19-2002, 06:15 PM
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Well an S2k vs 350Z is going to be a driver's race, so let's not start the flame war there. I don't think an S2k would necessarily blow by a Z unless the Z wasn't broken in. (and vice versa)
I told you the low torque wouldn't be as bad as everyone makes it out to be. It's also good that you drove a car with 500 miles on it, because a brand new one wouldn't have anywhere near as much power as that one. However, that car will continue to gain power even into the first several thousand miles.
I'm not going to tell you to decide between S2k or Z, cuz that's a decision only you can make.
If you decide to go with the S2k, get the 03, and try to get it for 32k or less.
Oh yeah, just upgrade the speakers and the radio problem goes away. (dont know why honda put such bad speakers in)
I told you the low torque wouldn't be as bad as everyone makes it out to be. It's also good that you drove a car with 500 miles on it, because a brand new one wouldn't have anywhere near as much power as that one. However, that car will continue to gain power even into the first several thousand miles.
I'm not going to tell you to decide between S2k or Z, cuz that's a decision only you can make.
If you decide to go with the S2k, get the 03, and try to get it for 32k or less.
Oh yeah, just upgrade the speakers and the radio problem goes away. (dont know why honda put such bad speakers in)
11-19-2002, 08:59 PM
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Well, 29,400 wouldn't be bad. Might be a great bargain.
I think that's better than paying 32,000 for 500 miles and a different model year.
Go for the 02. Besides, that 02 is already broken in, so then you wouldn't have to go through the pain of staying below 6000rpm for the first 600 miles.
I think that's better than paying 32,000 for 500 miles and a different model year.
Go for the 02. Besides, that 02 is already broken in, so then you wouldn't have to go through the pain of staying below 6000rpm for the first 600 miles.
11-19-2002, 09:10 PM
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Go for the 02. Besides, that 02 is already broken in, so then you wouldn't have to go through the pain of staying below 6000rpm for the first 600 miles.
Go for the 02. Besides, that 02 is already broken in, so then you wouldn't have to go through the pain of staying below 6000rpm for the first 600 miles.
11-20-2002, 01:27 PM
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HERE is what i broke it down to... if i can get the s2k with the hard top option for 35 or less imma get it... if not... imma get the pikes peak white touring .... for 36,683 out the door..... good idea ???
11-20-2002, 07:05 PM
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yea for the z 36,683 with tax and tags hence the reason i said out the door.... the dealer put stupid wheel locks on it that is 300 BUCKS!!! but other then that it has floor mats, trunk mats, aluminum kick plate and thats it i think.... it is msrp no dealer mark up.... they are taking good care of me.... as for the s2000 in the hard top in the yellow color ... dealer said 35 out the door might be too hard... cuz yellow is a hot color... (every color is a "hot" color) they said i could get a silverstone though 35 out the door... but on the s2000 i prefer yellow... so have no idea... by the end of this week imma figure this out... till then please keep the comments coming.. i don't care how subjective your comments are... thanks a lot fellas... i'm a young kid and paying all this money for a car means it is goin to last a LONG time so i don't want ANY regrets... =0)
11-21-2002, 06:11 AM
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I know exactly how you feel. I'm fortunate enough to have a great job and can afford a 2001 S2000 as well as a 2003 civic for winter. I'm only 23, but I pay for it all myself, and work damn hard to do so. I don't regret spending a single penny on the S2k and it's the best car I've ever owned. I couldn't tell you the stories I've had of people asking me about the car, the heads it's turned, and the funny things people do just to look at it.
One time I was waiting to turn left onto a main road, and a guy in a car was waiting to turn in from the median. He actually was waiting for traffic and was looking at my car. He got so involved in checking out my car, that he totally forgot to turn and sat there even with no traffic, just staring. He eventually realized and gave me a thumbs up as he turned in.
Don't let them give you that 35k BS because it's a yellow car. suzuka blue is one of the hardest colors to keep on the show room floor, and my friend got his for 30,500 brand new (no hard top). Fight with them and tell them you won't go for a cent more than 35k out the door.
I don't regret spending a single penny on the S2k and it's the best car I've ever owned. I couldn't tell you the stories I've had of people asking me about the car, the heads it's turned, and the funny things people do just to look at it.One time I was waiting to turn left onto a main road, and a guy in a car was waiting to turn in from the median. He actually was waiting for traffic and was looking at my car. He got so involved in checking out my car, that he totally forgot to turn and sat there even with no traffic, just staring. He eventually realized and gave me a thumbs up as he turned in.
Don't let them give you that 35k BS because it's a yellow car. suzuka blue is one of the hardest colors to keep on the show room floor, and my friend got his for 30,500 brand new (no hard top). Fight with them and tell them you won't go for a cent more than 35k out the door.
11-21-2002, 07:01 AM
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i joined that damn forum s2ki.com and it won't let me post saying i'm not a member but underneath it says login and my sn i created... it says i'm logged in but when i post it says i'm not a member or not allowed to post... jesus... maybe its a sign.... =0/
11-21-2002, 07:07 AM
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o hey honda troll... when i get the hard top will the soft top still be in tack or do they take out the rag top all together... really need to know this...thanks