I'm having problems enjoing myself sliding the rear of the car all the time
 

Anyone else having the same problem with their Z's when they are cranking around turns?. The torque of the car is very adicting isn't it?, HE HE HE!:D

its like a drug, I dont peel the tires, but I am addicted to a sweeping turn with just enough gas to keep it at the edge, feeling the strange combo of acceleration in 2 directions, makes me feel like a race car driver.

I did a U turn accross three lanes (legal area) and the back slid out - I caught just right and it felt great!

Must have looked good - power slide right round straighten up in the correct lane.

Got to watch it tho it can get away.

Um, being that I'm somebody who's done an unintentional 270 in the Z while playing around with sliding out the rear, I'd just like to encourage everybody to slide with some caution.

If you're not all that familiar with powerful rear wheel drive cars (me), then please practice on as non-populated a street as you can find.

Nothing worse than sliding out into somebody else.


Preaching aside, it is a lot of fun, when done right.

not much better to slide out into nothing... straight lines can be tricky. and curbs can be painful.

I try and slide around every corner I take!! It is soooo fun and easy to do in San Diego where rain is non-existent.

BTW.. a 270 degree spin in a 350z? Man, caution is indeed the moral of the story.. How f___in fast where you going?

Ive taken turns are 30 mph+ and barely heard any tire squeak!

lol, I've stepped the tail out at around 50 :D

Yeah, most turns the tail is stepped out for me, really addictive, and I'm not really noticing much tire wear with the stock RE40s. I can do it so smooth now to where even huge fishtails can be countered smoothly and brought back in without a violent jerk. The car really resists understeering around a u-turn though. I think the extra load from the tight turn puts so much weight on that back rear loaded tire that it doesn't want to break loose. I have trouble swinging the car around to do a u-turn smoothly. I think probably the smoothest, cleanest way to do it would be to get the tires loose, then start the u-turn, so as to not load the back right rear tire, but this could be quite dangerous and not worth it. Once you know what you're doing and have done this a lot, it's pretty damn easy to stay out of trouble on dry pavement. I keep the VDC on in the wet, even though it can be fun, it can get away from you if you're overzealous. I almost had it get away once in the wet, started using the VDC most of the time after that.

I am actually a little disapointed with the Z in one little respect. It only oversteers at really low speed. I have an enthusiast model and my car UNDERSTEERS like a mofo. I can't think of a single more annoying thing than the front end slipping and my car going straight. It doesnt seem to matter if I try to give it more throttle too, if you are doing 60+ mph around a corner, it just understeers, no way around it. Anyone found a good tire setup to correct this? I want oversteer!

I think you are confused man. Undertsteer is the tail sliding out in a turn, and oversteer is when the front wheels don't grip and they push out making you not be able to take your line through a turn. You'd have to be insane to want oversteer man. I seriously doubt you are stepping the rear out at 60+ miles per hour. Oversteer would just make you wreck.

This is confusing, Rob. I thought ranger5oh was correct in that understeer causes the front end to want to go straight and "not steer", hence the term "understeer" (and vice versa).

See HERE.

Who's right? Inquiring minds want to know........:icon8: :icon8: :icon8:

WayneTN

The link you posted is accurate. You would encounter understeer in a FWD/4WD car, while oversteer is more common in RWD cars.

I wasn't really going that fast, but it was raining. On a deserted road, I gunned it around a wide 90 degree intersection and promptly lost it. I ended up a few feet from the curb, facing the wrong way.



Like I said, it was a deserted road. I had to pull over for a while until my heart slowed down.


Since then, I haven't really tried much. :(

totally opposite. understeer is your front end pushing since you're under steering the turn, ie not following the radius. oversteer is when your rear end comes around since you're steering a shorter radius turn.

getting on the throttle when you're understeering will cause you to understeer more since your front tires will have less weight on them, this is assuming your rears don't slide due to the throttle. let off on the throttle or even brake lightly to tuck the front back into the turn.

likewise don't hit the brakes when your rear end is coming around or you'll lose it.

Oh brother, I'm on a car board with people that don't know what oversteer and understeer are :icon8:

Oversteer = Car turns more than you steer, back wheels slipping

Understeer = Car turns less than you steer, because front wheels are slipping

Hmm, i have a different situation. I got 265 ft tires and 295 rears. My car will not break lose yet. I am scared to go faster on the street. Even at about 40 mph on a street corner, it just turns, no breaking lose.

ugh, I have been sick today, and this thread is a result. Sorry, I plead temporary insanity. Got them mixed up in my head.

I learned it by thinking that:
understeer=you go nose first into the wall.
oversteer= you go tail first into the wall.
An yes it is addictimg to slide the rear out.

Thanks.. I dont like to be called wrong. :):icon6: :icon6: :icon6: :icon6: :icon6: :icon6:

Heh, I had this same over/understeer debate with a coworker who has a Porsche 944S, and I forced him to post it on Rennlist.

While we were waiting for them to debate the topic down to an internet truth, we went on a quick drive to the movietheater to get Matrix tickets.

We went to the empty parking lot and I turned traction control off and promptly proved that rear wheel drive cars when at power have oversteer *Big freaking grin* You guys are right. At low-speed this car can easily spin. :)

I think he said that I was right in the end, but he blamed it on confusion about turn-in and "push" terminology.

yes, curbs can be a real ***** :( :(

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