This pertains to the "17 year olds getting Z's" debate...
11-30-2009, 12:55 AM
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you really don't get it I DON'T CARE what you say or think about me because I won't even meet you ... so I don't care what you think.
you call me spoiled, cool, you make fun of my grammar and spelling and are calling me stupid, whatever but at the end of the day I will be that "spoiled" 18 year old driving that HR 350Z so get over it.
you call me spoiled, cool, you make fun of my grammar and spelling and are calling me stupid, whatever but at the end of the day I will be that "spoiled" 18 year old driving that HR 350Z so get over it.
11-30-2009, 01:04 AM
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Are you satisfied with viewing yourself that way? Apparently I don't have to say a word because you already seem to know everything about yourself and your shortcomings. If it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks then why have have you spent so much time arguing with me?
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11-30-2009, 01:36 AM
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Just have to be a little more creative with the way I word things. That is an option when your vocabulary exceed that of a 1st grader.I was actually done with you until you made your Ferrari comment. If you remember correctly I defended you over the other moron.
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11-30-2009, 06:19 AM
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While this thread can be quite entertaining, lately it is not so much. Seems to be an awful lot of class envy in some posts. I'm 54 years old - the 350 was my first brand new car, because my priorities were in another direction. My parents never spent a dime for my first car; in fact due to my rather rebellious teen years, they would not even let me own a car - that had to wait until I joined the Navy so I can truly say my parents never gave me a thing other than food and shelter. But if they had, I'm pretty sure I would have taken it. Have you ever seen a spoiled child say "No" to a parents largesse? I haven't. Each of my kids got $5000 towards their first car, and are each responsible for gas, insurance, upkeep, etc. Does that make them spoiled? In their grandparents eyes, yes it does. In my eyes, they have earned it. Would I go as far as even a used $15k Z? No way, due both to cost and it not being the right car for a kid IMHO - neither has ever driven my Z. Do I care if another parent does? Nope, could not care less, doesn't affect me in the least. And puleeeeze, do not bring up how they are going to crash their cars and raise our insurance rates. My Z club membership has had at least 4 off-roading incidents in the last 1.5 years and in every case, they were not youngsters, by any stretch.
In my case, as long as my kids stay out of trouble and get good grades in school, I'll help them out as much as I think I should, and as much as I can. That makes them more fortunate than some of their contemporaries and less fortunate than others. It's not a contest, it's life. Most parents want more for their kids than what they had growing up, even my parents who never really gave me much of anything in a material sense. All these posts from people who don't have a clue regarding others situations are pure speculation, and as I said before, sound like class envy to me. I know the "kids" tend to bring it on themselves with some clueless type comments but
I don't think we are going to change their minds, or their situations, by getting into pissing matches about who paid for what or who deserves what. Just my $.02 worth....
In my case, as long as my kids stay out of trouble and get good grades in school, I'll help them out as much as I think I should, and as much as I can. That makes them more fortunate than some of their contemporaries and less fortunate than others. It's not a contest, it's life. Most parents want more for their kids than what they had growing up, even my parents who never really gave me much of anything in a material sense. All these posts from people who don't have a clue regarding others situations are pure speculation, and as I said before, sound like class envy to me. I know the "kids" tend to bring it on themselves with some clueless type comments but
I don't think we are going to change their minds, or their situations, by getting into pissing matches about who paid for what or who deserves what. Just my $.02 worth....
11-30-2009, 07:04 AM
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While this thread can be quite entertaining, lately it is not so much. Seems to be an awful lot of class envy in some posts. I'm 54 years old - the 350 was my first brand new car, because my priorities were in another direction. My parents never spent a dime for my first car; in fact due to my rather rebellious teen years, they would not even let me own a car - that had to wait until I joined the Navy so I can truly say my parents never gave me a thing other than food and shelter. But if they had, I'm pretty sure I would have taken it. Have you ever seen a spoiled child say "No" to a parents largesse? I haven't. Each of my kids got $5000 towards their first car, and are each responsible for gas, insurance, upkeep, etc. Does that make them spoiled? In their grandparents eyes, yes it does. In my eyes, they have earned it. Would I go as far as even a used $15k Z? No way, due both to cost and it not being the right car for a kid IMHO - neither has ever driven my Z. Do I care if another parent does? Nope, could not care less, doesn't affect me in the least. And puleeeeze, do not bring up how they are going to crash their cars and raise our insurance rates. My Z club membership has had at least 4 off-roading incidents in the last 1.5 years and in every case, they were not youngsters, by any stretch.
In my case, as long as my kids stay out of trouble and get good grades in school, I'll help them out as much as I think I should, and as much as I can. That makes them more fortunate than some of their contemporaries and less fortunate than others. It's not a contest, it's life. Most parents want more for their kids than what they had growing up, even my parents who never really gave me much of anything in a material sense. All these posts from people who don't have a clue regarding others situations are pure speculation, and as I said before, sound like class envy to me. I know the "kids" tend to bring it on themselves with some clueless type comments but
I don't think we are going to change their minds, or their situations, by getting into pissing matches about who paid for what or who deserves what. Just my $.02 worth....
In my case, as long as my kids stay out of trouble and get good grades in school, I'll help them out as much as I think I should, and as much as I can. That makes them more fortunate than some of their contemporaries and less fortunate than others. It's not a contest, it's life. Most parents want more for their kids than what they had growing up, even my parents who never really gave me much of anything in a material sense. All these posts from people who don't have a clue regarding others situations are pure speculation, and as I said before, sound like class envy to me. I know the "kids" tend to bring it on themselves with some clueless type comments but
I don't think we are going to change their minds, or their situations, by getting into pissing matches about who paid for what or who deserves what. Just my $.02 worth....
Well done!
11-30-2009, 09:30 AM
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While this thread can be quite entertaining, lately it is not so much. Seems to be an awful lot of class envy in some posts. I'm 54 years old - the 350 was my first brand new car, because my priorities were in another direction. My parents never spent a dime for my first car; in fact due to my rather rebellious teen years, they would not even let me own a car - that had to wait until I joined the Navy so I can truly say my parents never gave me a thing other than food and shelter. But if they had, I'm pretty sure I would have taken it. Have you ever seen a spoiled child say "No" to a parents largesse? I haven't. Each of my kids got $5000 towards their first car, and are each responsible for gas, insurance, upkeep, etc. Does that make them spoiled? In their grandparents eyes, yes it does. In my eyes, they have earned it. Would I go as far as even a used $15k Z? No way, due both to cost and it not being the right car for a kid IMHO - neither has ever driven my Z. Do I care if another parent does? Nope, could not care less, doesn't affect me in the least. And puleeeeze, do not bring up how they are going to crash their cars and raise our insurance rates. My Z club membership has had at least 4 off-roading incidents in the last 1.5 years and in every case, they were not youngsters, by any stretch.
In my case, as long as my kids stay out of trouble and get good grades in school, I'll help them out as much as I think I should, and as much as I can. That makes them more fortunate than some of their contemporaries and less fortunate than others. It's not a contest, it's life. Most parents want more for their kids than what they had growing up, even my parents who never really gave me much of anything in a material sense. All these posts from people who don't have a clue regarding others situations are pure speculation, and as I said before, sound like class envy to me. I know the "kids" tend to bring it on themselves with some clueless type comments but
I don't think we are going to change their minds, or their situations, by getting into pissing matches about who paid for what or who deserves what. Just my $.02 worth....
In my case, as long as my kids stay out of trouble and get good grades in school, I'll help them out as much as I think I should, and as much as I can. That makes them more fortunate than some of their contemporaries and less fortunate than others. It's not a contest, it's life. Most parents want more for their kids than what they had growing up, even my parents who never really gave me much of anything in a material sense. All these posts from people who don't have a clue regarding others situations are pure speculation, and as I said before, sound like class envy to me. I know the "kids" tend to bring it on themselves with some clueless type comments but
I don't think we are going to change their minds, or their situations, by getting into pissing matches about who paid for what or who deserves what. Just my $.02 worth....
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11-30-2009, 10:52 AM
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If you are referring to me and I'm not saying that you are it really has nothing to do with class envy. I think it is funny to catch these kids in their lies.I do admit that it has lost some of its fun though. I will not change my views that handing a kid a sports car is doing them a serious disservice though.
Believe me, we agree on that. But I gave up on understanding others parental viewpoints long ago, and not just on car choices for their kids. It just made me bang my head on the wall so I stopped, lol. And I am not referring to any one post in particular, or any one poster in particular, just the general direction this thread seems to take as it weaves and bobs through cyberspace, and the differing interpretations on what it means when someone says "I paid for my car"
11-30-2009, 03:22 PM
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Would you get an employee discount if you worked at the dealership? I would also say go 07-08. I was in a situation where I could have went HR or get my 03 that is already FI and has Volks. I chose the latter. HR is definitely the better platform though.
11-30-2009, 03:24 PM
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If you are referring to me and I'm not saying that you are it really has nothing to do with class envy. I think it is funny to catch these kids in their lies.I do admit that it has lost some of its fun though. I will not change my views that handing a kid a sports car is doing them a serious disservice though.
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