CK_32

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Ok I posted this in my other thread in the FI section but I need some help ASAP.

I've installed a 6266 boosted performance kit on my Z. Everything is finished and installed. I've taken it to the tune shop 3 times and $1,200 later already and they still haven't tuned a god dam thing on my car.

First trip they blew a charge pipe off. The last 2 times they couldn't get it to idle after revs. Told me it's rich then leans out on the come down. They assume it's a vacuum leak some where but I don't see where. The car idles all day until you rev it, the car ran perfectly fine before I put the kit on it so it's not bad hoses or parts.

The first time I didn't have one of the o2 ports blocked off on my waste gates. I feel like this is a tuner issue and he just needs to add fuel but he says I need to find the vacuum leak. Do I need to plug the MSV port on the waste gates too?

I need this fixed by Saturday and I don't want to waste another $300 tune day.

6266 comp turbo
Stock MAF
350mlph fuel pump
750cc injectors
Tial 50 BOV
Tial waste gates

zakmartin

Have you been taking it to the same shop?

CK_32

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Yup. #1 recommendation Churches in San Pedro/Long Beach

And so far all they've done is, put it on the dyno. Tell me it doesn't idle. Take it off. Charge me $300.

oldschool350z

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Insane is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

You will get the same result. Go somewhere else that can actually tune and work on the car properly.

zakmartin

Yeah dude. Time to take it somewhere else. If the new place can fix the car, then go back to Churches with your 10 biggest friends and demand a refund.

CK_32

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Trust me, it is driving me insane.

Will the bung hole I think for the A/F guage after the turbo cause the "leak"... I don't see how it would but that's the only open port left I haven't plugged when it comes to flow.

Well that and the H2o ports in the waste gates.

i8acobra

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Smoke test it. Find someone with a smoke machine and the proper boost pipe adapters.

bealljk

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Can you log your AFRs?

How confident are you in the functioning of your MAF - can you monitor your voltage?

Did you change your injector values in your ECU? and is your fuel pressure set correctly?

Are your injectors scaled up for the fuel pressure youre running.

Just curious - what are you tuning with?

CK_32

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Yea smoke machine is my next step if I can't get this figured out.


AFR on the dyno was around 16-22 on rev.. then dipped to around 10 on the dyno.

I can try to log AFR tonight again.

Very cause it was flawless before I installed the turbo kit.

I can try to measure voltage tonight along with AFR.

I did not no, assumed that was what the tuners do.

Again something I think the tuners would do.

They should be as per Sasha who said 750cc should work fine with this pump.

Osiris but again the shop is the ones actually tuning. Well chafing me anyways lol

bealljk

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If a smoke machine is a ***** to get, you can always spray brake cleaner or starter fluid around suspect areas?


For instance, my 1000cc ID injectors are rated at 40psi ... when I scaled them up to run at OEM 52psi they push out 1095cc ... so I wonder if this wasnt done...

CK_32

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Ok ran my logging with some crazy results... Not sure what to make with this.

**Apologize ahead of time, the rescale tore the quality apart. Hope you can read the data**



Notes & Concerns:

1:22 2100 rpm - 13-14 AFR - Come down - 1400 rpm - 20-30 AFR

1:27 3000 rpm - 13-14 AFR - Come down - 1700 rpm - 35-45 AFR

1:30 800 rpm - 10-10 AFR Idle catch

1:38 3600 rpm - 14 AFR (hit boost) - Come down 2300 rpm - 18-40 AFR

1:41 10-10 AFR Idle Catch

1:55 4000 rpm -14-17 AFR - Come down 2100 rpm - 30-105 AFR

1:58 Dead idle - 80 rpm - 10 AFR


It almost looks as if its more the fact that the injectors are pissing fuel into the cylinders making it try and lean out to make up for the gap and killing it self with a lean mix when it tries to catch idle.

Also I pulled codes.

2 random misfire codes were active. Not sure if those are old or current codes tho. But easily could be because of the lean out and idle crash.

iideadeyeii

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Target AFR shouldn't been 14.7 at 0% throttle above idle.

The afr should max out your gauge(mine is 22) when coming down. Trying to make it target 14.7 will run you pig rich and it probably what's making the car stall.

That'll be $300, thanks

^^Probably disregard all of that^^
Ok edit. I did notice target afr does change when coming down. Set target afr 0% at 1250rpm at 14.7 or whatever one box higher than idle is to make sure it doesn't stall.

I'm on utec so it's a little different.

The idle should be the easiest part for a tuner to fix.

CK_32

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Exactly. But the point is this sht looks like a tune problem, not a install/leak issue.

So they basically screwed me out of $300. And all they need to do is level out the rich spikes, and add fuel when it goes to lean it self.

I'm also curious if that was a lot error or if that AFR reading was actually correct at that 106 spike. The most I've ever seen on friends tunes was like 50's.. I've never seen a 100 AFR

iideadeyeii

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Is your program trying to constantly adjust to a target afr?

I think that is a problem itself. The values should be static and if a temperature compensation is needed then that can be added for certain RPM(I don't use any temp compensation)

For tuning with my utec I do not have a target afr and I adjust manually.

CK_32

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Honestly I don't know.


That's just what the target AFR is set to when I enabled the log files after enabling it. It might be tho, from what I've read 14.2 is about the most "optimal" AFR safe range for most motors.

CK_32

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Ok we took off the intake plenum

Checked all the injectors

Checked all the plugs

Reinstalled the plenum and checked the gaskets.

Accidentally broke off the waste gate to intake hose..

Ran to check, and it still does about the same thing. Goes up to 4k RPM before it starts to try and die on it self. But this time 3 full revs to 4k it didnt die. Came close, went to 10 AFR.. But actually caught it self.

So either we "fixed" the leak, or its just getting lucky and still dying just not these times. Because the only thing changed is the exhaust pipe isnt connected to the OEM exhaust. And the waste gate hose isnt connected to the charge pipe.

But we never really made full boost so it shouldnt really effect it.

I really think its all tuning at this point.

CK_32

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Ok I've come to the conclusion there isnt a vacuum leak. Unless I am retarded someone please happily tell me.

We ran the AFR again but this time held the revs. Because in my head and in theory, if there is a leak as you rev and hold it, it should have issues.

Well it didnt. It held RPM and AFR PERFECTLY. 14:1 AFR give or take some +/- 1..

But on let go of the throttle and come down is when it spikes lean. Aka the injectors are NOT firing after you release the pedal. This TO ME and 3 other people screams tune problem..

Am I wrong? Please someone who knows vacuum chime in. This is driving me nuts to 1.. Admit there is a vacuum leak and we can not find it and its fooling us.

or 2... Ive basically be screwed by the tuners out of $900 for a tune they never did and blamed it on vacuum while they happily took my money.

Im calling project imports tomorrow to see what their thoughts are on this.

iideadeyeii

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I think you need to take screenshots of your tables (fuel/timing) and whatever else you can look at through your laptop for us to further help you.

CK_32

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How do I access the fuel table on Cyrus? Only thing I can access on my uprev is logging, codes and tune files off my computer files.

I can not for the life of me find how to pull up the fuel/timing graph/map.

But I is save the log file I ran when holding RPM tho. I'll post that when I get time after work today.

iideadeyeii

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I have no idea. My UTEC goes from a serial cable to a converter/usb and I plug that in to a laptop with WINDOWS XP(super old laptop)

No idea any other options. I'm sure someone could chime in or you can do some research to figure it out