Need some opinions please
alright so I have an 03 Z and when I get on the gas hard it will burn oil BAAAAD like a puff of white smoke out the tailpipes bad, at first we thought it was the head gaskets letting a little oil in the coil packs and down in the cylinder but we replaced the gaskets and now about 2 or so weeks later its began again, this leads us to believe that while the car was out of commission (before I bought it the car sat for around 5ish years) the cylinders rusted and created pits in the cylinders letting oil coming through possibly valve stem gaskets settle in the cylinders and be burned. Anyone here have a little experience in mechanics and wanna throw an opinion in the ring? right now im looking at a complete level 3 engine rebuild kit from Z1 to help get her back in working order, but I think im going to have to go up in the bore size of my cylinders in order to bore out the pits ( if this is the issue)
any help or words of advice at all would be greatly appreciated. |
I think you should perform a leak-down test on that engine before you start throwing parts at it.
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Originally Posted by Atreyu'z 350
(Post 10954600)
I think you should perform a leak-down test on that engine before you start throwing parts at it.
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Well there a couple things you should be aware of here:
- Burning oil is generally blue/blueish smoke - Burning coolant is generally a white/whiteish smoke - A bad head gasket will often allow coolant into the cylinder because the water jackets are located close to the cylinders - 350z’s are notorious for the vavle cover gasket o-rings leaking, particularly the cylinder on the driver side closest to the firewall Before you decide to dump an assload of cash into rebuilding that block you need someone to test it - If it comes back bad look for a used long block as they can be had for a couple hundred bucks. Don’t be nostalgic. This is a 350z, nobody cares about numbers matching on these cars. |
white smoke = head gaskets ...
did you have the heads machined? if they're warped and/or they arent 100% flush with the head than it wont seal... |
Correct. The OP is likely experiencing a warped head and gaps in the head gasket, allowing coolant to leak into the cylinders, and therefore, a white color coming from the exhaust.
Originally Posted by bealljk
(Post 10954749)
white smoke = head gaskets ...
did you have the heads machined? if they're warped and/or they arent 100% flush with the head than it wont seal... |
Something else, I used a good amount of coppper gasket spray when I did my gaskets a few year back...High Performance Academy does these engine building webinars and they mentioned that spraying the head gaskets with copper gasket spray is a step in the wrong direction and could create a uneven mating surface ... I'm mixed feelings about the spray...
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Originally Posted by Spike100
(Post 10955315)
Correct. The OP is likely experiencing a warped head and gaps in the head gasket, allowing coolant to leak into the cylinders, and therefore, a white color coming from the exhaust.
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Originally Posted by Atreyu'z 350
(Post 10954600)
I think you should perform a leak-down test on that engine before you start throwing parts at it.
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Originally Posted by bealljk
(Post 10954749)
white smoke = head gaskets ...
did you have the heads machined? if they're warped and/or they arent 100% flush with the head than it wont seal... |
Originally Posted by tmdz
(Post 10954733)
Well there a couple things you should be aware of here:
- Burning oil is generally blue/blueish smoke - Burning coolant is generally a white/whiteish smoke - A bad head gasket will often allow coolant into the cylinder because the water jackets are located close to the cylinders - 350z’s are notorious for the vavle cover gasket o-rings leaking, particularly the cylinder on the driver side closest to the firewall Before you decide to dump an assload of cash into rebuilding that block you need someone to test it - If it comes back bad look for a used long block as they can be had for a couple hundred bucks. Don’t be nostalgic. This is a 350z, nobody cares about numbers matching on these cars. |
Obviously many things going here...faulty head gaskets wont leak oil into the cylinder.
If you're getting oil into the combustion you AND you have pitted piston tops this could be an indication that you are mis-firing / detonating / ping'ing. Post up some pictures of the pitting (if you can) - is this in the cylinder walls or the piston face? Could also indicate that your rings are shot due to aforementioned detonation, thus the oil in the combustion...for how inexpensive rings are I'm sure theyre on your list. |
Originally Posted by bealljk
(Post 10956097)
Obviously many things going here...faulty head gaskets wont leak oil into the cylinder.
If you're getting oil into the combustion you AND you have pitted piston tops this could be an indication that you are mis-firing / detonating / ping'ing. Post up some pictures of the pitting (if you can) - is this in the cylinder walls or the piston face? Could also indicate that your rings are shot due to aforementioned detonation, thus the oil in the combustion...for how inexpensive rings are I'm sure theyre on your list. |
Ok brother - You seem really committed to dropping a few thousand on that particular engine. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by tmdz
(Post 10956245)
Ok brother - You seem really committed to dropping a few thousand on that particular engine. Good luck. |
If he is going to keep the car, then let him build it. I built mine and is staying with me until it breaks in half.
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Originally Posted by 03350
(Post 10956239)
we don't know and wont know about the pitting for sure until we completely take apart the engine, We think its the valve stem seals, I suppose that a blown head gasket could also help with the smoke, not getting oil in the cylinders.
An automotive borescope is a really useful too in diagnosis for issues like these. |
Originally Posted by zakmartin
(Post 10956304)
An automotive borescope is a really useful too in diagnosis for issues like these.
Originally Posted by djnekkon
(Post 10956297)
If he is going to keep the car, then let him build it. I built mine and is staying with me until it breaks in half.
If you meant build as it get it back to OEM specs, it may be a fool's errand ... if this block was abused/neglected just salvage it out and swap a functioning engine into the car. |
Originally Posted by bealljk
(Post 10956367)
I'm curious to know how they confirmed pitting??
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:White Smoke -coolant
:Blue Smoke- Oil :Black Smoke- Fuel Now if you get a "puff" and confirm its white, then Coolant is leaking from the HG into the exhaust. Now if you did the HG's and it's still doing this. You may have a human error. If you do remove it all again see which piston/valve is cleaner than the rest and that would be the culprit side of things. Also you can perhaps see the gasket itself where a leak would be. Just like someone already mentioned don't use any type of silicone, or spray adhesive on the gaskets. Make sure you torque them down proper as well. Also if you did the HG in the kit should have come w/ valve seals and what not. You did not do them when you had the heads off? I would have also sent the heads to a local machine shop to check them out and polish them up. If it is just a "Puff" i wouldn't worry about it to much until it becomes more though. Driving yourself nuts over a "puff" is not the way to live.. ;) haha! |
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