NASA ST4 for 2017
04-18-2016, 05:58 AM
#4
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I really like that NASA is implementing this rule-set. Though, I highly doubt I'll go this route with the Z, since it's my DD 
, but it's very cool to see this type of class expanding.
I'm curious to see the modification factors for this class, what will the p:w penalty be for..... running A7s over R7s, full aero, sub-frame replacements, external res. shocks, etc. I'm anxiously awaiting to see if they'll implement TT/ST5-6 as well. A power-to-weight class (without points) is actually less expensive and more efficient running costs on something like my TTE miata.
, but it's very cool to see this type of class expanding.I'm curious to see the modification factors for this class, what will the p:w penalty be for..... running A7s over R7s, full aero, sub-frame replacements, external res. shocks, etc. I'm anxiously awaiting to see if they'll implement TT/ST5-6 as well. A power-to-weight class (without points) is actually less expensive and more efficient running costs on something like my TTE miata.
04-18-2016, 09:35 AM
#8
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As my Z currently sits and add 255 R7s, it falls into TTB with maxed out points and current wet-weight of 3350lbs-ish and 270rwhp/245tq. No aero though, which really hurts :-\ . All the control arms really eat up the points. Still could be competitive, at least regionally for sure.
04-18-2016, 10:02 AM
#10
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Oh, it's worth mentioning my minimum weight is 3225lbs with my track edition. I think when I ran the numbers it was better off starting with a base DE and then taking points for brakes.
Last edited by Flier129; 04-18-2016 at 10:59 AM.
04-18-2016, 02:11 PM
#12
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ST IS the answer the Z has been waiting for. We currently have 3 Z's running in NorCal, with another 2 or 3 on the way. It seems people really do recognize that these are great cars in a lot of ways, especially reliability, and now they finally have a place to shine. After Spec Z didn't take off in NorCal, we switched our focus to ST.
I took over leadership of the group in NorCal and pushed hard for the average HP rule we now use to help balance the 4 and 6 cylinder engines against V8's or cars with throttle plate limited flat power curves. The response has been overwhelmingly good.
BUT... ST3 power still requires an HR w/cams and headers, and some carbon bits. So now the push is to replace TTB/C with ST4. A basically stock DE (maybe some cams) and normal weight savings should be perfect for the class. An HR would probably have to de tune. Should be a cheap place to start racing your Z.
ST4 rules will largely be the same as ST3 I think, only at around 12:1, but that is still being discussed. I am personally pushing for a couple of tweaks to keep costs down, but NOT require people to have to throw away parts if they want to go up in class later. Basically I want to see ST4 not allow sequential trans at all, and only DOT slicks.
I think the cheapest build for the class would be to buy a DE (maybe add cams), gut and cage, throw on a wing and a splitter, a decent set of shocks, 10" wheels, and go have fun.
I took over leadership of the group in NorCal and pushed hard for the average HP rule we now use to help balance the 4 and 6 cylinder engines against V8's or cars with throttle plate limited flat power curves. The response has been overwhelmingly good.
BUT... ST3 power still requires an HR w/cams and headers, and some carbon bits. So now the push is to replace TTB/C with ST4. A basically stock DE (maybe some cams) and normal weight savings should be perfect for the class. An HR would probably have to de tune. Should be a cheap place to start racing your Z.
ST4 rules will largely be the same as ST3 I think, only at around 12:1, but that is still being discussed. I am personally pushing for a couple of tweaks to keep costs down, but NOT require people to have to throw away parts if they want to go up in class later. Basically I want to see ST4 not allow sequential trans at all, and only DOT slicks.
I think the cheapest build for the class would be to buy a DE (maybe add cams), gut and cage, throw on a wing and a splitter, a decent set of shocks, 10" wheels, and go have fun.
04-19-2016, 04:28 AM
#13
Registered User
ST IS the answer the Z has been waiting for. We currently have 3 Z's running in NorCal, with another 2 or 3 on the way. It seems people really do recognize that these are great cars in a lot of ways, especially reliability, and now they finally have a place to shine. After Spec Z didn't take off in NorCal, we switched our focus to ST.
I took over leadership of the group in NorCal and pushed hard for the average HP rule we now use to help balance the 4 and 6 cylinder engines against V8's or cars with throttle plate limited flat power curves. The response has been overwhelmingly good.
BUT... ST3 power still requires an HR w/cams and headers, and some carbon bits. So now the push is to replace TTB/C with ST4. A basically stock DE (maybe some cams) and normal weight savings should be perfect for the class. An HR would probably have to de tune. Should be a cheap place to start racing your Z.
ST4 rules will largely be the same as ST3 I think, only at around 12:1, but that is still being discussed. I am personally pushing for a couple of tweaks to keep costs down, but NOT require people to have to throw away parts if they want to go up in class later. Basically I want to see ST4 not allow sequential trans at all, and only DOT slicks.
I think the cheapest build for the class would be to buy a DE (maybe add cams), gut and cage, throw on a wing and a splitter, a decent set of shocks, 10" wheels, and go have fun.
I took over leadership of the group in NorCal and pushed hard for the average HP rule we now use to help balance the 4 and 6 cylinder engines against V8's or cars with throttle plate limited flat power curves. The response has been overwhelmingly good.
BUT... ST3 power still requires an HR w/cams and headers, and some carbon bits. So now the push is to replace TTB/C with ST4. A basically stock DE (maybe some cams) and normal weight savings should be perfect for the class. An HR would probably have to de tune. Should be a cheap place to start racing your Z.
ST4 rules will largely be the same as ST3 I think, only at around 12:1, but that is still being discussed. I am personally pushing for a couple of tweaks to keep costs down, but NOT require people to have to throw away parts if they want to go up in class later. Basically I want to see ST4 not allow sequential trans at all, and only DOT slicks.
I think the cheapest build for the class would be to buy a DE (maybe add cams), gut and cage, throw on a wing and a splitter, a decent set of shocks, 10" wheels, and go have fun.
I've seen more Zs come out with NASA-Southeast within the 3 years I've been running with them, which is very encouraging. It would be great to start seeing more and more development on the chassis too. I'm pretty spoiled in that aspect with my miata and general costs on the miata are low. Though, after awhile you get tired of damn near every single car blow past you on the straight
So putting the Z on the track is a possibility..... orrrr adding power to the miata 
I would love to see a tweak in the ST4/5/6 rules that will eliminate A7s and similar. Yes, they're fun and extremely fast, but at the end of the weekend only one guy in class can take home some free contingency tires. While the rest of the field has to go buy a sticker set after two events just to be competitive. Honestly, when NASA made the A6 a 16 point tire that pushed me to run TT last year.
If anything else, the NASA rule-set is a breath of fresh air after 6-7 years of SCCA Solo rules. I'm sure Mike can definitely relate, lol.
04-19-2016, 09:10 AM
#15
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I've seen more Zs come out with NASA-Southeast within the 3 years I've been running with them, which is very encouraging. It would be great to start seeing more and more development on the chassis too. I'm pretty spoiled in that aspect with my miata and general costs on the miata are low. Though, after awhile you get tired of damn near every single car blow past you on the straight So putting the Z on the track is a possibility..... orrrr adding power to the miata
I would love to see a tweak in the ST4/5/6 rules that will eliminate A7s and similar. Yes, they're fun and extremely fast, but at the end of the weekend only one guy in class can take home some free contingency tires. While the rest of the field has to go buy a sticker set after two events just to be competitive. Honestly, when NASA made the A6 a 16 point tire that pushed me to run TT last year.
If anything else, the NASA rule-set is a breath of fresh air after 6-7 years of SCCA Solo rules. I'm sure Mike can definitely relate, lol.
So putting the Z on the track is a possibility..... orrrr adding power to the miata I would love to see a tweak in the ST4/5/6 rules that will eliminate A7s and similar. Yes, they're fun and extremely fast, but at the end of the weekend only one guy in class can take home some free contingency tires. While the rest of the field has to go buy a sticker set after two events just to be competitive. Honestly, when NASA made the A6 a 16 point tire that pushed me to run TT last year.
If anything else, the NASA rule-set is a breath of fresh air after 6-7 years of SCCA Solo rules. I'm sure Mike can definitely relate, lol.
I do want to make non-DOT's illegal though in ST4 and under.
04-19-2016, 12:47 PM
#16
Registered User
Honestly everything I have heard, and am now testing, is that the A7 last just as long as the R7 as far as cycles go. I also just ran an A7 for the first time in a 30 minute race in 85+ temps and they lasted no problem. I don't see the need to make them illegal at this point. I would be interested to hear an argument for that though if there are some decent facts behind it.
I do want to make non-DOT's illegal though in ST4 and under.
I do want to make non-DOT's illegal though in ST4 and under.
04-19-2016, 02:05 PM
#18
I don't think the A7's should be banned at all, we all choose our own tires. The A7 guys may scoop up some time when the asphalt temps are still sub 100, but once summer comes and they start over temping them then the R7's should step up and scoop up some wins.
11-03-2016, 03:12 PM
#19
Well, NASA ST4/TT4 rules were officially released today. On a positive note, the 350Z finally has found a home!!!!!!
Of course the down side is that (with the single exception of the Utah region) this is probably the official end of the Spec Z experiment.
Of course the down side is that (with the single exception of the Utah region) this is probably the official end of the Spec Z experiment.
11-26-2016, 05:22 AM
#20
New Member
St4 rules
St prep question for the track guys. For the HR is st4 or st5 the better home? St4 fully gut to 3100lb comp weight and run tune 260whp on 275s with aero (lands at around 12:1). If assume st5 will be 14:1 a stock build 3350/250whp on 245s for +0.7 and no aero +0.4 lands over 14:1.
