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aznride1983 11-25-2006 10:41 AM

best spring/drop without using camber kit?
 
can anyone help me which one of the springs is the best for the Z without sacrificing comfort and without buying a camber kit? is tababe a good choice or the H&R?

sisco534 11-25-2006 11:11 AM

I have Eibach pro kit... rides good no camber issuse and good drop

UCLAzzz 11-25-2006 07:26 PM

I got the Tanabe NF210's installed today from Rick at Status. It looks awesome, i can't believe i waited 8 months after getting my 19" volks GT-V's to get springs. It feels great to me, I don't really notice a harsher/rougher ride. If the Z was my daily driver I don't think it would be a problem. Its a perfect drop IMO with my 19" 9.5f 245 AND 10.5R 275 Toyos. I haven't scraped on any speed bumps or driveways either. But the camber is off and you can not correct it back to specs without a kit (That's what I've read here).

Nexx 11-25-2006 07:27 PM

hotchkis all the way.

smokedout350z 11-25-2006 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by UCLAzzz
I got the Tanabe NF210's installed today from Rick at Status. It looks awesome, i can't believe i waited 8 months after getting my 19" volks GT-V's to get springs. It feels great to me, I don't really notice a harsher/rougher ride. If the Z was my daily driver I don't think it would be a problem. Its a perfect drop IMO with my 19" 9.5f 245 AND 10.5R 275 Toyos. I haven't scraped on any speed bumps or driveways either. But the camber is off and you can not correct it back to specs without a kit (That's what I've read here).

the tanabe 210's give a pretty good drop.......a little camber in the back but its ok...my front tires seem like they are keeping up very well.
post some pic's up man..i got the nf210's and looking into some 19's later...so hit us up with a pic

bofa 11-25-2006 07:49 PM

I have the Tein s.tech springs... the drop is less than an inch and the ride is a little firmer but not uncomfortable at all. The car feels a lot better.

white350 11-25-2006 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by Nexx
hotchkis all the way.

o fuk yea i have the stage 1 kit with sways and springs and it rides perfect. completely change the way it drove it was alot tighter and more agressive on turns. i think you should get the kit its only like 450. springs are like 200

Mazinger Z 11-26-2006 01:58 AM


Originally Posted by UCLAzzz
I got the Tanabe NF210's installed today from Rick at Status. It looks awesome, i can't believe i waited 8 months after getting my 19" volks GT-V's to get springs. It feels great to me, I don't really notice a harsher/rougher ride. If the Z was my daily driver I don't think it would be a problem. Its a perfect drop IMO with my 19" 9.5f 245 AND 10.5R 275 Toyos. I haven't scraped on any speed bumps or driveways either. But the camber is off and you can not correct it back to specs without a kit (That's what I've read here).

That's weird, because I've read here that you can get it close to specs. It might not be completely to spec, but pretty close. Anyone else know about this?

Gsedan35 11-26-2006 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by aznride1983
can anyone help me which one of the springs is the best for the Z without sacrificing comfort and without buying a camber kit? is tababe a good choice or the H&R?

If your bent on keeping the car within oem alignment specs you need to limit the amount of drop to .8" or less.


Eibach 350Z Pro-kit progressive springs 1”/1”
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 296/384 initial/final rear 316/421

Eibach 350Z sportline progressive springs 1.2"/1.2"
Front: 239/400 Rear: 257/435

RSR 350Z linear springs .6”/.6” drop on 350Z (hard to find I've been told)
Spring rates in LBS 345/417

Hotchkis 350Z Linear springs .6”/.8”
Spring rates in lbs 340/330

Tein S-tech 350z (fronts are progressive, rears are linear) .7”/.6”
Spring rates in lbs 386/402 (final rates only, softer initial front progressive rate unknown)

Tein H-tech 350z linear springs .3”/.2”
Spring rates in LBS 358/375

Tokico D-spec shock & spring package
350Z - DSK512 - 375f/375r - Linear Springs 1"/1"

Tanabe GF210 Series 350Z progressive springs 1”/1.2”
Spring rates in LBS 336/375 (only peak rates are published, softer initial progressive rates unknown)

Tanabe NF210 Series 350Z linear springs 1.2”/1.2”
Spring rates in LBS 314/353

Swift 350Z linear springs .8”/.6” drop on 350Z
Spring rates in LBS 336/364

Nismo T2 350Z Linear springs 1”/1” drop on 350Z
(Too stiff for D-spec shocks and especially oem shocks)
Listed for information ONLY!
Spring rates in LBS 625/700

Vogtland 350z progressive springs 1”/1”
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 257/354 initial/final rear 285/422

Kg/mm springs 350Z
DR21 super sport 15mm drop
Spring rates in lbs initial/final front 246/398 initial/final rear 252/409

Kg/mm springs 350Z
DRacing 30mm drop
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 252/454 initial/final rear 252/482 rear

Whiteline 350Z linear springs (control)
Front: Part # 73219,
Spring rate 365 LBS Drop: .8"-1"
Rear: Part # 73220
Spring rate 445LBS Drop: 1"-1.2"
(sold as 2 front springs and 2 rear springs)
www.whiteline.com.au/store/

Espelir 350Z progressive springs 10mm drop F&R
386/515

H&R sport springs 350Z progressive springs
1.3"/1"
no spring rate info H&R refuses to give it out, something that is critical to making a informed buying decision, buyer beware

Oem springs: 350Z 2003/2004 (unrevised suspension)
Front:314 Rear:342

Oem springs: 350Z 2004.5 to 2006 (revised suspension)
Front:314 Rear:427

plumpzz 11-26-2006 08:08 AM

ek. None of them look too good vs stock on a lowered setup on tokiko D specs.
What are tokiko spring specs? Im concidering those, RSR and eibach prokit, leaning toward the prokit..

Gsedan35 11-26-2006 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by plumpzz
ek. None of them look too good vs stock on a lowered setup on tokiko D specs.
What are tokiko spring specs? Im concidering those, RSR and eibach prokit, leaning toward the prokit..

Tokico springs are spec'd in the list I posted above.

Why do you think none of the springs look good vs oem "on D specs"?

Demon Z 11-26-2006 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Gsedan35
If your bent on keeping the car within oem alignment specs you need to limit the amount of drop to .8" or less.


Eibach 350Z Pro-kit progressive springs 1”/1”
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 296/384 initial/final rear 316/421

Eibach 350Z sportline progressive springs 1.2"/1.2"
Front: 239/400 Rear: 257/435

RSR 350Z linear springs .6”/.6” drop on 350Z (hard to find I've been told)
Spring rates in LBS 345/417

Hotchkis 350Z Linear springs .6”/.8”
Spring rates in lbs 340/330

Tein S-tech 350z (fronts are progressive, rears are linear) .7”/.6”
Spring rates in lbs 386/402 (final rates only, softer initial front progressive rate unknown)

Tein H-tech 350z linear springs .3”/.2”
Spring rates in LBS 358/375

Tokico D-spec shock & spring package
350Z - DSK512 - 375f/375r - Linear Springs 1"/1"

Tanabe GF210 Series 350Z progressive springs 1”/1.2”
Spring rates in LBS 336/375 (only peak rates are published, softer initial progressive rates unknown)

Tanabe NF210 Series 350Z linear springs 1.2”/1.2”
Spring rates in LBS 314/353

Swift 350Z linear springs .8”/.6” drop on 350Z
Spring rates in LBS 336/364

Nismo T2 350Z Linear springs 1”/1” drop on 350Z
(Too stiff for D-spec shocks and especially oem shocks)
Listed for information ONLY!
Spring rates in LBS 625/700

Vogtland 350z progressive springs 1”/1”
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 257/354 initial/final rear 285/422

Kg/mm springs 350Z
DR21 super sport 15mm drop
Spring rates in lbs initial/final front 246/398 initial/final rear 252/409

Kg/mm springs 350Z
DRacing 30mm drop
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 252/454 initial/final rear 252/482 rear

Whiteline 350Z linear springs (control)
Front: Part # 73219,
Spring rate 365 LBS Drop: .8"-1"
Rear: Part # 73220
Spring rate 445LBS Drop: 1"-1.2"
(sold as 2 front springs and 2 rear springs)
www.whiteline.com.au/store/

Espelir 350Z progressive springs 10mm drop F&R
386/515

H&R sport springs 350Z progressive springs
1.3"/1"
no spring rate info H&R refuses to give it out, something that is critical to making a informed buying decision, buyer beware

Oem springs: 350Z 2003/2004 (unrevised suspension)
Front:314 Rear:342

Oem springs: 350Z 2004.5 to 2006 (revised suspension)
Front:314 Rear:427

^^Now THIS is very helpful. Thanx dude! I'm suprised at how firm the oem spring rates are....

plumpzz 11-26-2006 08:56 AM

Sorry missed the tokiko. Most of them are softer than the stock setup. Although im aware soft doesnt mean bad handling, i'd rather have a linear spring with around stock numbers. I can't fathom why something would be 20% softer than stock for handling..

aznride1983 11-26-2006 11:35 AM

ok, so if i do get camber..which one do i get? the A camber link;or Toe link? or both.? do the front need it too or just the back tires?

Z1 Performance 11-26-2006 12:45 PM

G35sedan - they gotta make your spec posts a sticky!!!!

you will need the rear SPC kit only - it does camber and toe. Front camber is not adjustable but even slightly more than stock is a good thing. Stock toe is adjustable

plumpzz- there are easily as many springs on there stiffer than stock as there are softer. Keep in mind too that while the specs help things, they are by no means a final authority. How the car "feels" overal is as much dependant on your tires and tire pressure as they are on your shock and spring combo.

I've used almost all of the springs listed above on one of 2 tires (T1S and S03's) with only a few exceptions. Rideheight aside, they all felt remarkably similar in day to day driving conditions. Yes there are some differences but they are not nearly as night and day as, say a 40-60 lb change in spring rate would appear to make.

We've been using the Hotchkis and Tein S Tech mainly, whereas the RSR used to be the go to spring before the availability issues came about. Both the Tein and Hotchkis have worked out wonderfully on early cars as well as newer ones, with a variety of wheel and tire combos

VQLOVER 11-26-2006 12:48 PM

hotchkis ftw

Q45tech 11-27-2006 07:18 AM

Remember the extreme WIDE oem alignment specs are for warranty not optimum handling nor tire wear.

Always align to the perfect midpoint of published acceptable range to achieve ideal conditions.

This is the error most make assumming in spec is ok!

tractng 11-29-2006 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Gsedan35
If your bent on keeping the car within oem alignment specs you need to limit the amount of drop to .8" or less.


Eibach 350Z Pro-kit progressive springs 1”/1”
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 296/384 initial/final rear 316/421

Eibach 350Z sportline progressive springs 1.2"/1.2"
Front: 239/400 Rear: 257/435

RSR 350Z linear springs .6”/.6” drop on 350Z (hard to find I've been told)
Spring rates in LBS 345/417

Hotchkis 350Z Linear springs .6”/.8”
Spring rates in lbs 340/330

Tein S-tech 350z (fronts are progressive, rears are linear) .7”/.6”
Spring rates in lbs 386/402 (final rates only, softer initial front progressive rate unknown)

Tein H-tech 350z linear springs .3”/.2”
Spring rates in LBS 358/375

Tokico D-spec shock & spring package
350Z - DSK512 - 375f/375r - Linear Springs 1"/1"

Tanabe GF210 Series 350Z progressive springs 1”/1.2”
Spring rates in LBS 336/375 (only peak rates are published, softer initial progressive rates unknown)

Tanabe NF210 Series 350Z linear springs 1.2”/1.2”
Spring rates in LBS 314/353

Swift 350Z linear springs .8”/.6” drop on 350Z
Spring rates in LBS 336/364

Nismo T2 350Z Linear springs 1”/1” drop on 350Z
(Too stiff for D-spec shocks and especially oem shocks)
Listed for information ONLY!
Spring rates in LBS 625/700

Vogtland 350z progressive springs 1”/1”
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 257/354 initial/final rear 285/422

Kg/mm springs 350Z
DR21 super sport 15mm drop
Spring rates in lbs initial/final front 246/398 initial/final rear 252/409

Kg/mm springs 350Z
DRacing 30mm drop
Spring rates in LBS initial/final front 252/454 initial/final rear 252/482 rear

Whiteline 350Z linear springs (control)
Front: Part # 73219,
Spring rate 365 LBS Drop: .8"-1"
Rear: Part # 73220
Spring rate 445LBS Drop: 1"-1.2"
(sold as 2 front springs and 2 rear springs)
www.whiteline.com.au/store/

Espelir 350Z progressive springs 10mm drop F&R
386/515

H&R sport springs 350Z progressive springs
1.3"/1"
no spring rate info H&R refuses to give it out, something that is critical to making a informed buying decision, buyer beware

Oem springs: 350Z 2003/2004 (unrevised suspension)
Front:314 Rear:342

Oem springs: 350Z 2004.5 to 2006 (revised suspension)
Front:314 Rear:427


Does this apply to roadster too (2005)? The roadster sits lower than the coupe in the rear. I had hotchkis springs on the coupe and my alignment was almost perfect.

Anybody have a roadster with the hotchkis springs without camber kit?

Tony


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