best big brake kit?
11-12-2004, 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by ZxRage
I had the Wilwoods 14" Front BBK for a few months and I really wasn't that impressed with them. I also found out that they fade easily when slowing down from speeds of 100 to 65 mph on the highways. I realized that they weren't capable of handling the abuse I was going to put them through and sold them off for a loss.
Right now I am installing a set of 4 Wheel 14" Stoptechs on my car this weekend and will post my impressions soon after. I can say this, the Stoptechs seem like a more complete kit and everything is stainless as compared to some of the rusted bolts that were on the caliper of the Wilwood kit. Also, there is an INSTALLATION MANUAL included with the kit with the proper torque specs, that was something that the Wilwood kit did not come with.
I had the Wilwoods 14" Front BBK for a few months and I really wasn't that impressed with them. I also found out that they fade easily when slowing down from speeds of 100 to 65 mph on the highways. I realized that they weren't capable of handling the abuse I was going to put them through and sold them off for a loss.
Right now I am installing a set of 4 Wheel 14" Stoptechs on my car this weekend and will post my impressions soon after. I can say this, the Stoptechs seem like a more complete kit and everything is stainless as compared to some of the rusted bolts that were on the caliper of the Wilwood kit. Also, there is an INSTALLATION MANUAL included with the kit with the proper torque specs, that was something that the Wilwood kit did not come with.
11-12-2004, 07:31 PM
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Rotora is a really good value for these cars and performs really well in my experience. Stoptech is also a terrific kit.
Endless also comes in blue
Here are some specs:
Rotora
The 4 piston front kit uses large 330x30 mm two piece slotted rotors with aluminum hats, big 4 piston calipers, and includes pads, stainless steel brake lines (front), and all required mounting hardware.
The 6 piston front kit steps it up to massive 355x32 mm two piece slotted rotors with aluminum hats, and huge 6 piston calipers. Once again, pads, lines, and all mounting hardware is included.
For pricing, click here: http://z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?model...ing&prodid=949
Stoptech - contact one of their authorized dealers. While we have access to it, buying from an authorized dealer is important with a purchase like this.
Endless:
Endless Brake Kit - uses the 6 piston mini caliper and stock Brembo rotors (rotors not included). This kit contains 2 front calipers, stainless steel brake lines, brake pads (your choice of street, street/track, or track compound)and mounting hardware.
Endless System Kit - uses the 6 piston mini caliper, and includes all the components of the standard brake kit, includes 2 Endless 12.76 inch rotors (same size as Brembo) and 6 piston mini caliper - $3625.00
Endless System Kit Inch Up 1 - uses a 13.5 inch 2 piece rotor, 6 piston caliper, and includes all mounting hardware, braided brake lines, and your choice of pad compound
Endless System Kit Inch Up 2 - All the features of the Inch Up 1 kit, but steps up to a 14 inch 2 piece rotor, 6 piston racing caliper.
Endless Racing Kit Front - uses full size 6 piston front caliper (same as used on the JGTC cars) with 14.5 inch rotor 2 piece rotor, stainless brake lines and pads
For pricing, click here: http://z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?model...ing&prodid=331
Each manufacturer now offers rear kits too
Any questions, feel free to let us know!
I personally run AP on my own car, though if cost were not an option, I would have had Endless.
Endless also comes in blue
Here are some specs:
Rotora
The 4 piston front kit uses large 330x30 mm two piece slotted rotors with aluminum hats, big 4 piston calipers, and includes pads, stainless steel brake lines (front), and all required mounting hardware.
The 6 piston front kit steps it up to massive 355x32 mm two piece slotted rotors with aluminum hats, and huge 6 piston calipers. Once again, pads, lines, and all mounting hardware is included.
For pricing, click here: http://z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?model...ing&prodid=949
Stoptech - contact one of their authorized dealers. While we have access to it, buying from an authorized dealer is important with a purchase like this.
Endless:
Endless Brake Kit - uses the 6 piston mini caliper and stock Brembo rotors (rotors not included). This kit contains 2 front calipers, stainless steel brake lines, brake pads (your choice of street, street/track, or track compound)and mounting hardware.
Endless System Kit - uses the 6 piston mini caliper, and includes all the components of the standard brake kit, includes 2 Endless 12.76 inch rotors (same size as Brembo) and 6 piston mini caliper - $3625.00
Endless System Kit Inch Up 1 - uses a 13.5 inch 2 piece rotor, 6 piston caliper, and includes all mounting hardware, braided brake lines, and your choice of pad compound
Endless System Kit Inch Up 2 - All the features of the Inch Up 1 kit, but steps up to a 14 inch 2 piece rotor, 6 piston racing caliper.
Endless Racing Kit Front - uses full size 6 piston front caliper (same as used on the JGTC cars) with 14.5 inch rotor 2 piece rotor, stainless brake lines and pads
For pricing, click here: http://z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?model...ing&prodid=331
Each manufacturer now offers rear kits too
Any questions, feel free to let us know!
I personally run AP on my own car, though if cost were not an option, I would have had Endless.
11-12-2004, 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Z1 Performance
I personally run AP on my own car, though if cost were not an option, I would have had Endless.
I personally run AP on my own car, though if cost were not an option, I would have had Endless.
AP got some nice brakes from a performance point of view.
11-13-2004, 02:16 AM
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Endless and Rotora come in blue.....if money is no worry, i'd get Endless...but i also hear Rotora's are good brakes for their price....I think Rotora's are from/made in SoCal....
11-13-2004, 05:41 AM
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Here's another vote for StopTech. Properly engineered, heavily documented, well supported. And don't forget pad selection...the StopTech ST-40 caliper uses the same pad size as the mid-90's Porsche 911. This means that there are a TON of available pads to choose from. I'd be curious if you would have the same selection if you bought a kit that might not have such a common pad size.
Good luck!
Good luck!
11-13-2004, 02:29 PM
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GYZ - just the bling factor pure and simple. I actually run AP's on all my cars and have for the last several years...in fact, we are just about to wrap up the kit for my 280ZX...with 6 pot front AP caliper..yum!
Endless are a very well respected, high end Japanese brand that is most notably used in JGTC, WRC and several Asian market race series.
Endless are a very well respected, high end Japanese brand that is most notably used in JGTC, WRC and several Asian market race series.
11-13-2004, 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Z1 Performance
GYZ - just the bling factor pure and simple. I actually run AP's on all my cars and have for the last several years...in fact, we are just about to wrap up the kit for my 280ZX...with 6 pot front AP caliper..yum!
GYZ - just the bling factor pure and simple. I actually run AP's on all my cars and have for the last several years...in fact, we are just about to wrap up the kit for my 280ZX...with 6 pot front AP caliper..yum!
that explaines it.
11-15-2004, 10:27 AM
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Thanks for the support guys...as a side note...we offer blue calipers as a special order item for an additional $100 per caliper. There are a number of members on this forum running them.
11-15-2004, 02:31 PM
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I just ran my car at Buttonwillow -- only mods are SSR Comps, Big Khumo MX tires and a Stoptech 14" 4-wheel kit (in silver).
I ran Pagid Orange pads (front only) and everything was awesome. I ran repeated fast hard laps without even a hint of fade. I let one of the instructors drive (a NASA pro SE-R racer) and he laid down some incredible laps and said the brakes never faded and pedal remained rock hard.
I ran Pagid Orange pads (front only) and everything was awesome. I ran repeated fast hard laps without even a hint of fade. I let one of the instructors drive (a NASA pro SE-R racer) and he laid down some incredible laps and said the brakes never faded and pedal remained rock hard.
11-15-2004, 04:05 PM
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Skrill,
Thanks for the review. I'm glad you were happy with the brakes! You'd have to do something pretty drastic to fade our 355mm kit. Hopefully I'll be out there with you driving next time.
Thanks for the review. I'm glad you were happy with the brakes! You'd have to do something pretty drastic to fade our 355mm kit. Hopefully I'll be out there with you driving next time.
11-15-2004, 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by J Ritt
Skrill,
Thanks for the review. I'm glad you were happy with the brakes! You'd have to do something pretty drastic to fade our 355mm kit. Hopefully I'll be out there with you driving next time.
Skrill,
Thanks for the review. I'm glad you were happy with the brakes! You'd have to do something pretty drastic to fade our 355mm kit. Hopefully I'll be out there with you driving next time.
And the 14" rears -- I don't think they even broke a sweat with the OE Porsche pads. But I know they were working, as the car squated nicely at the hard braking zones. I even got them to tint blue (but not as deep as the fronts).
The SE-R driver said that it was one of the best aftermarket kits he had driven. No early ABS activation and no rear lock-ups. And trust me -- he was giving them a real workout.
Now ... gotta fix that understeer I had at the button hook.
BTW, now that I have the track bug again, I will be going to Big Willow with the Touring Car Racing Assoc. on 12/4-12/5. www.touringcarclub.com
Love to see you there.
11-15-2004, 06:42 PM
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Brian - what bumper (TS?) front pics?
I have not used Stoptechs on a Z yet, but have used them on tons of other cars - nothing but grins
In fact, I have yet to use a bad BBK on any car (from Alcon to Stoptech), with the exception of Wilwoods - they worked well enough, but the kits I have used had no dust seals in the caliper and required frequent rebuild on track cars.
I chose AP for my own car for a few reasons:
1. My kit is actually originally designed for a 300 ZX TT. Customer was parting his car out to mod his new project (SR20 equipped S14), and needed Defi gauges - we worked something out
2. Consistency of brands - my other Z (280ZX) also is to be using AP brakes (6 piston), and I thought it would be neat to have both cars using a similar kit.
3. Experience - I have used AP more than any other kit in the last 5-6 years and have been totally blown away by their quality, reliability (have never had to have a caliper rebuilt), wide array of pad choices, and their customer service was top notch
Adam
I have not used Stoptechs on a Z yet, but have used them on tons of other cars - nothing but grins
In fact, I have yet to use a bad BBK on any car (from Alcon to Stoptech), with the exception of Wilwoods - they worked well enough, but the kits I have used had no dust seals in the caliper and required frequent rebuild on track cars.I chose AP for my own car for a few reasons:
1. My kit is actually originally designed for a 300 ZX TT. Customer was parting his car out to mod his new project (SR20 equipped S14), and needed Defi gauges - we worked something out
2. Consistency of brands - my other Z (280ZX) also is to be using AP brakes (6 piston), and I thought it would be neat to have both cars using a similar kit.
3. Experience - I have used AP more than any other kit in the last 5-6 years and have been totally blown away by their quality, reliability (have never had to have a caliper rebuilt), wide array of pad choices, and their customer service was top notch
Adam