Blown Vortech, please help
08-19-2009, 09:42 AM
#21
i would wait for that final quote before you start planning on future stuff, esp if you arent building your longblock or doing the install yourself.
You say your motor blew, what specifically went? Spun a bearing?
the link for the warranty isnt working? Was that Function tuned warranty where if they install FI on a stock block it wont blow?
good luck!
You say your motor blew, what specifically went? Spun a bearing?
the link for the warranty isnt working? Was that Function tuned warranty where if they install FI on a stock block it wont blow?
good luck!
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08-19-2009, 09:52 AM
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D@MN !!! Not again !!I edited post #19
i would wait for that final quote before you start planning on future stuff, esp if you arent building your longblock or doing the install yourself.
You say your motor blew, what specifically went? Spun a bearing?
the link for the warranty isnt working? Was that Function tuned warranty where if they install FI on a stock block it wont blow?
good luck!
You say your motor blew, what specifically went? Spun a bearing?
the link for the warranty isnt working? Was that Function tuned warranty where if they install FI on a stock block it wont blow?
good luck!
Last edited by XKR; 08-19-2009 at 10:02 AM.
08-19-2009, 10:17 AM
#24
I was hoping it was not FT again......If they wont do the tear down for him at their cost ...he will have to prove on his own that he deserves the warranty he paid for....Going to IP or FP or PF in his area for an outside opinion is the only way I can see for him at this point.
If they take all the time for a teardown you think they will have a change of heart?
Doubtful when 'lack of oil' can be both a cause and result of a particular failure. The cards are stacked against the OP.
08-19-2009, 10:36 AM
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D@MN !!! Not again !!I edited post #19
I was hoping it was not FT again......If they wont do the tear down for him at their cost ...he will have to prove on his own that he deserves the warranty he paid for....Going to IP or FP or PF in his area for an outside opinion is the only way I can see for him at this point.
I'm tired of seeing this kinda epic fail bullsh*t from the infamous mid-A shop threesome.
Dave is not helping his reputation by backing out on his famous (or is it now infamous?) Function Tuned Stock Block FI Warranty Program.
Sorry to hear about your situation OP.
I hope that the publicity of this thread will compel Dave to step up and do the right thing to take care of you.
08-19-2009, 10:40 AM
#26
Ask us about adding head studs, head gaskets with your order.
Shipping and Core Charge ($1500) will apply. Most shortblocks are in stock, or a max 2 weeks leadtime.
I got a quote of higher from the shop I'm assuming they'll charge me more since my motor is done? Or will they accept my done motor?
Shipping and Core Charge ($1500) will apply. Most shortblocks are in stock, or a max 2 weeks leadtime.
I got a quote of higher from the shop I'm assuming they'll charge me more since my motor is done? Or will they accept my done motor?
08-19-2009, 10:42 AM
#27
i stopped reading after i realized u thought it was ok to run 3000-5000 miles without changing ur oil and being F.I....lol
dude u should have changed ur oil at least at 2500 miles..ive been supercharged for 7k miles now and already changed my oil 3 times..no problems to date..knock on wood..good luck
dude u should have changed ur oil at least at 2500 miles..ive been supercharged for 7k miles now and already changed my oil 3 times..no problems to date..knock on wood..good luck
08-19-2009, 10:44 AM
#28
i stopped reading after i realized u thought it was ok to run 3000-5000 miles without changing ur oil and being F.I....lol
dude u should have changed ur oil at least at 2500 miles..ive been supercharged for 7k miles now and already changed my oil 3 times..no problems to date..knock on wood..good luck
dude u should have changed ur oil at least at 2500 miles..ive been supercharged for 7k miles now and already changed my oil 3 times..no problems to date..knock on wood..good luck
I changed my first FI oil after 3k and have the Blackstone report to prove there was plenty of life left and no problems with what came out. That includes dozens of dyno runs and a track day.
Dave even comments that the oil was 'totally black' as a sign of abuse. So was mine...good oil turns black when it's doing its job. I couldn't even see a flashlight through the oil held up to the 3oz container and it was still fine.
Tech never tracked his, did dyno runs, or anything else required of him to preserve the "warranty". We roll together most of the time...I can vouch for this 100%.
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08-19-2009, 10:46 AM
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It seems the decision (to void the warranty) has already been made.
If they take all the time for a teardown you think they will have a change of heart?
Doubtful when 'lack of oil' can be both a cause and result of a particular failure. The cards are stacked against the OP.
If they take all the time for a teardown you think they will have a change of heart?
Doubtful when 'lack of oil' can be both a cause and result of a particular failure. The cards are stacked against the OP.
I'm tired of seeing this kinda epic fail bullsh*t from the infamous mid-A shop threesome.Dave is not helping his reputation by backing out on his famous (or is it now infamous?) Function Tuned Stock Block FI Warranty Program.
Sorry to hear about your situation OP.
I hope that the publicity of this thread will compel Dave to step up and do the right thing to take care of you.Umm yea...
I changed my first FI oil after 3k and have the Blackstone report to prove there was plenty of life left and no problems with what came out. That includes dozens of dyno runs and a track day.
Dave even comments that the oil was 'totally black' as a sign of abuse. So was mine...good oil turns black when it's doing its job. I couldn't even see a flashlight through the oil held up to the 3oz container and it was still fine.
Tech never tracked his, did dyno runs, or anything else required to preserve the "warranty".
I changed my first FI oil after 3k and have the Blackstone report to prove there was plenty of life left and no problems with what came out. That includes dozens of dyno runs and a track day.
Dave even comments that the oil was 'totally black' as a sign of abuse. So was mine...good oil turns black when it's doing its job. I couldn't even see a flashlight through the oil held up to the 3oz container and it was still fine.
Tech never tracked his, did dyno runs, or anything else required to preserve the "warranty".
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08-19-2009, 11:09 AM
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Oh no...
Edit: OP, when they tuned your car, was there any paper work to do for warranty? Did he explain to you about how warranty works?
Edit: OP, when they tuned your car, was there any paper work to do for warranty? Did he explain to you about how warranty works?
Last edited by Chef-J; 08-19-2009 at 11:13 AM.
08-19-2009, 11:15 AM
#32
Tech being new to VQ FI had full trust in Dave to sell him everything he needed to be a reliable daily driver and sold him a warranty to top everything off.
No oil cooler, no gauges, stock cats / exhaust, a flash tune and 12psi pushing ~400whp on a DD (450+ DJ?). You make the decision.
But hey, it has (had) a warranty, so why question it especially being a n00b?
Last edited by djamps; 08-19-2009 at 11:18 AM.
08-19-2009, 11:19 AM
#33
by the wording of that warranty (which only seems to cover rods and pistons, not damage due to spun bearings or whatever it was that failed), i dont think Dave should cover it.
Although, by having him only remove 1 qt of oil at the time of change, certainly didnt help matters.
ouch. good luck!
Although, by having him only remove 1 qt of oil at the time of change, certainly didnt help matters.
ouch. good luck!
08-19-2009, 11:24 AM
#34
by the wording of that warranty (which only seems to cover rods and pistons, not damage due to spun bearings or whatever it was that failed), i dont think Dave should cover it.
Although, by having him only remove 1 qt of oil at the time of change, certainly didnt help matters.
ouch. good luck!
Although, by having him only remove 1 qt of oil at the time of change, certainly didnt help matters.
ouch. good luck!
08-19-2009, 11:24 AM
#35
'beating' on the car is certainly subjective..
Tech being new to VQ FI had full trust in Dave to sell him everything he needed to be a reliable daily driver and sold him a warranty to top everything off.
No oil cooler, no gauges, stock cats / exhaust, a flash tune and 12psi pushing ~400whp on a DD (450+ DJ?). You make the decision.
But hey, it has (had) a warranty, so why question it especially being a n00b?
Tech being new to VQ FI had full trust in Dave to sell him everything he needed to be a reliable daily driver and sold him a warranty to top everything off.
No oil cooler, no gauges, stock cats / exhaust, a flash tune and 12psi pushing ~400whp on a DD (450+ DJ?). You make the decision.
But hey, it has (had) a warranty, so why question it especially being a n00b?
08-19-2009, 11:25 AM
#36
Just to be clear, nobody denied the motor had little oil left in it when it failed. The problem is that we checked it 8 days and again 7 days before and it had an acceptable amount of oil in it.
Could a 'piston failure' cause excessive OC? Somehow the motor suddenly went through at least 4 qts in less than 7 days then boom.
These are questions that need to be asked.
Last edited by djamps; 08-19-2009 at 11:30 AM.
08-19-2009, 11:25 AM
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'beating' on the car is certainly subjective..
Tech being new to VQ FI had full trust in Dave to sell him everything he needed to be a reliable daily driver and sold him a warranty to top everything off.
No oil cooler, no gauges, stock cats / exhaust, a flash tune and 12psi pushing ~400whp on a DD (450+ DJ?). You make the decision.
But hey, it has (had) a warranty, so why question it especially being a n00b?
Tech being new to VQ FI had full trust in Dave to sell him everything he needed to be a reliable daily driver and sold him a warranty to top everything off.
No oil cooler, no gauges, stock cats / exhaust, a flash tune and 12psi pushing ~400whp on a DD (450+ DJ?). You make the decision.
But hey, it has (had) a warranty, so why question it especially being a n00b?
08-19-2009, 11:27 AM
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As Djamps said the car was never tracked EVER I was too worried about breaking the warranty even though I wanted to go, I mean all my G buddies were going.
Tyler I'm not sure how it seams odd/weird/whatever you may call it for thinking syn. oil that JUST made it to 3k should be changed at 2500 I changed regular oil at 2500.
I have no clue if the motor can be rebuilt
i stopped reading after i realized u thought it was ok to run 3000-5000 miles without changing ur oil and being F.I....lol
dude u should have changed ur oil at least at 2500 miles..ive been supercharged for 7k miles now and already changed my oil 3 times..no problems to date..knock on wood..good luck
dude u should have changed ur oil at least at 2500 miles..ive been supercharged for 7k miles now and already changed my oil 3 times..no problems to date..knock on wood..good luck
I have no clue if the motor can be rebuilt
