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ace32x 12-12-2012 11:35 AM

has anyone seen a VR block with 370 heads yet?
 
heard this is possible and zfever was working on one but havent seen any info on it, vr38 block with 370z heads into a 350z

Total D 12-12-2012 01:51 PM

Sounds like too much work....Stick to your LS swap hahah...Hows that monster clutch holding up?

Jeremiah

ace32x 12-12-2012 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Total D (Post 9978739)
Sounds like too much work....Stick to your LS swap hahah...Hows that monster clutch holding up?

Jeremiah

not for me i was just curious lol, changed the block build a little so im waiting for my assembly guy to finish the blue print and assembly. its a 383 11:1 with some aftermarket heads over-sized valves and what not

str8dum1 12-12-2012 02:13 PM

why bother changing the heads?

ace32x 12-12-2012 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by str8dum1 (Post 9978781)
why bother changing the heads?

from what i was told the gtr heads wont work in the swap.

acke15 12-12-2012 05:08 PM

I've read that z fever made g37 heads fit on the vr38 block. But then the issue of what transmission will you use comes up.

RudeG_v2.0 12-12-2012 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by ace32x (Post 9978790)
from what i was told the gtr heads wont work in the swap.

I don't understand why. Even if there was an issue with the VQ ECU controlling the VR motor, couldn't they swap the ECU too or run a full stand alone EMS?:dunno:

graffkid732 12-12-2012 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0 (Post 9979132)
I don't understand why. Even if there was an issue with the VQ ECU controlling the VR motor, couldn't they swap the ECU too or run a full stand alone EMS?:dunno:

My thought exactly. Maybe I am missing something.

ace32x 12-12-2012 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by graffkid732 (Post 9979215)
My thought exactly. Maybe I am missing something.

just what i was told from the photographer from dsport while we were shooting the ****, said there was an issue getting them to function correctly he didnt elaborate and im not familar enough with the VR heads to know why they may not.

midz350 12-13-2012 05:31 AM

Its easier and cheaper to fine full stand alone for the HR and VHR heads than the VR heads.

For me, I would rather use the HR heads. Over 300cfm stock FTW

djamps 12-13-2012 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by midz350 (Post 9979491)
Its easier and cheaper to fine full stand alone for the HR and VHR heads than the VR heads.

For me, I would rather use the HR heads. Over 300cfm stock FTW

From what I understand there are no standalones that can control VR/VHR heads properly (due to VVEL). I'm guessing Zfever swapped to HR heads because of this.

RudeG_v2.0 12-13-2012 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by djamps (Post 9979573)
From what I understand there are no standalones that can control VR/VHR heads properly (due to VVEL). I'm guessing Zfever swapped to HR heads because of this.

OK, but again that begs the question of why don't they swap in a VR ECU as well.:dunno:

bigcloud 12-13-2012 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0 (Post 9979659)
OK, but again that begs the question of why don't they swap in a VR ECU as well.:dunno:

That's a good question. From the information I gathered from them they use the 370z ECU along with the greddy turbo kit. I posted on their facebook page the other day asking an update on it, but got no response.

djamps 12-13-2012 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0 (Post 9979659)
OK, but again that begs the question of why don't they swap in a VR ECU as well.:dunno:

Getting a GTR ECU to play nice with the Z BCM and OEM cluster...that's a ton of work if it's even possible. Two totally different cars.

A more plausible route might be VHR heads and a VHR ECU. Or HR heads and a stock ECU (as the customer chose). Hell it could be financial reasons on behalf of the customer, I doubt a VR swap is cheap all by itself.

RudeG_v2.0 12-13-2012 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by djamps (Post 9979767)
Getting a GTR ECU to play nice with the Z BCM and OEM cluster...that's a ton of work if it's even possible. Two totally different cars.

A more plausible route might be VHR heads and a VHR ECU. Or HR heads and a stock ECU (as the customer chose). Hell it could be financial reasons on behalf of the customer, I doubt a VR swap is cheap all by itself.

Sounds like they would be better off buying a GT-R. LOL

str8dum1 12-13-2012 11:33 AM

it is not different than putting the original haltech (stock ecu + piggyback) in a VQ35de or swapping in the LS1 (piggyback stock ecu with gm ecu)

the GTR ecu only needs to control engine functions. The tach might not work, but its no different than an LS swap.

Better yet, run the GTR motor on a Proefi or Syvecs and dont even worry about the gtr ecu.

So i still dont know why they'd mess with running 370z heads when the full GTR package is way superior.



Originally Posted by djamps (Post 9979767)
Getting a GTR ECU to play nice with the Z BCM and OEM cluster...that's a ton of work if it's even possible. Two totally different cars.

A more plausible route might be VHR heads and a VHR ECU. Or HR heads and a stock ECU (as the customer chose). Hell it could be financial reasons on behalf of the customer, I doubt a VR swap is cheap all by itself.


djamps 12-13-2012 06:49 PM

But the question is would it be worth the added cost? How much better to VR heads flow than HR heads? Would the stock rods give out before the heads started limited flow?

Wiring in the GTR ECU especially if it's never been done before would add significant cost to the build. The customer's wallet ultimately decides what happens.

ace32x 12-13-2012 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by djamps (Post 9980346)
But the question is would it be worth the added cost? How much better to VR heads flow than HR heads? Would the stock rods give out before the heads started limited flow?

Wiring in the GTR ECU especially if it's never been done before would add significant cost to the build. The customer's wallet ultimately decides what happens.

i dont think the hr heads work on them, theres a little difference between the hr and the vhr heads height wise

djamps 12-14-2012 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by ace32x (Post 9980401)
i dont think the hr heads work on them, theres a little difference between the hr and the vhr heads height wise

if it's vhr heads going onto the vr block I'd be even less worried about flow issues and more welcome to the simplicity of not hacking in a gtr ecu.

ace32x 12-14-2012 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by djamps (Post 9980577)
if it's vhr heads going onto the vr block I'd be even less worried about flow issues and more welcome to the simplicity of not hacking in a gtr ecu.

thats why im wondering why we havent seen any yet, the short blocks can be had fairly cheap. close to the same price i was into my sleeved block


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