Whats a Pop Charger?
. But if you drive the same no it will not reduce mpg.
02-06-2004, 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by MotiCarmona
hey wedge , quick question , i saw u have the borla true duel , how do u like it , the power and the sound that is , is it serios difference? and what about the RT's
hey wedge , quick question , i saw u have the borla true duel , how do u like it , the power and the sound that is , is it serios difference? and what about the RT's
I feel more power (maybe because I hear more power) with the Borla and once I added the RT Cats everything that was good with the Borla became even better. Better sound, better power, etc. I have never dynoed the car so most of what I am telling you is just my personal feel. My wife notices the same thing and she loves the sound as well and loves to drive the car even more since the exhaust has been modified.
The only drawback I have found with the Borla is the many connections that must be clamped due to it being in so many pieces. The "H" pipe connection is particularly troublesome for many people. When I first installed my Borla, I had no leaks at all and was very pleased with it. After the RT Cats were installed, I noticed a small leak at the H pipe when gunning the engine due, I suppose, to the higher flow of the cats. I had to get under the car and take care of that with some sealer and reclamping of the H pipe. There are slits on one side of the H pipe so the other side can slide in. These slits are barely covered by the clamp that is supplied so it can be tricky to get it right. Many people get the H pipe welded, which in my opinion should have been done in the first place from the factory. The fact that the Borla has so many pieces has a plus side as well however. If you are going to be installing it yourself, laying on the garage floor with the car on jack stands, working with a series of shorter pieces is much easier.
Once everything is installed and any leaks are eliminated, I think you will truly enjoy the Borla.
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02-06-2004, 09:10 AM
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thats awesome wedge , thanx alot , kinda helped me make up my mind , but i might i go with cats first and then the borla , not sure yet , but defenetly need an some sort of sound to my car.. lol , that popcharger is a tease when u get on it , it just sounds so good and i want my car so like that and even louder at all times... lol , well thanx again
02-06-2004, 09:34 AM
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K&N Drop-in Filter
Originally posted by ProjectAlpha
Wow, thanks for all the insights guys. Does anyone know how much a K&N filter costs? I know the Pop Charger goes for about $120.
Wow, thanks for all the insights guys. Does anyone know how much a K&N filter costs? I know the Pop Charger goes for about $120.
http://www.knfilterchargers.com/sear...Prod=33-2031-2
I'm thinking about getting a Pop Charger now though.
02-06-2004, 09:40 AM
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Re: Re: Really????
Originally posted by Dave 90TT
Depends what you mean by noticeable.
Butt dyno noticeable? No, probably not
Real dyno noticeable? Yes.
1/4 mile time noticeable? probably.
The thing to remember here is that very few people are going to notice 7 more HP on a Z, whether a Z32 or a Z33. Take the Z33. 287 HP stock. Increase that by 7 HP. You just added about 2.5% HP. 2.5% is really not all that much. Think about a glass of water. Would you notice if it increased in temperature by 2.5%? Most likely not. Same thing with HP.
However, dynos have shown that the cone style filters (pop chargers, CAI's, etc...) do increase HP and torque over regular, drop in filters.
Whether that is worth it to you or not, I can't say.
Dave 90TT
Depends what you mean by noticeable.
Butt dyno noticeable? No, probably not
Real dyno noticeable? Yes.
1/4 mile time noticeable? probably.
The thing to remember here is that very few people are going to notice 7 more HP on a Z, whether a Z32 or a Z33. Take the Z33. 287 HP stock. Increase that by 7 HP. You just added about 2.5% HP. 2.5% is really not all that much. Think about a glass of water. Would you notice if it increased in temperature by 2.5%? Most likely not. Same thing with HP.
However, dynos have shown that the cone style filters (pop chargers, CAI's, etc...) do increase HP and torque over regular, drop in filters.
Whether that is worth it to you or not, I can't say.
Dave 90TT
02-06-2004, 11:08 AM
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Chris....
ALL rear wheel drive cars......no matter what horsepower the engine itself is making......whether it is 100 or 500 horsepower.....lose a certain percentage of that horsepower in what is called "drivetrain loss". No car has the same horsepower at the wheels that is being put out by the engine. The 287 stock horsepower rating for our engine is correct.......all of it just doesn't make it back to the wheels.
ALL rear wheel drive cars......no matter what horsepower the engine itself is making......whether it is 100 or 500 horsepower.....lose a certain percentage of that horsepower in what is called "drivetrain loss". No car has the same horsepower at the wheels that is being put out by the engine. The 287 stock horsepower rating for our engine is correct.......all of it just doesn't make it back to the wheels.
02-06-2004, 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Wedge
Chris....
ALL rear wheel drive cars......no matter what horsepower the engine itself is making......whether it is 100 or 500 horsepower.....lose a certain percentage of that horsepower in what is called "drivetrain loss". No car has the same horsepower at the wheels that is being put out by the engine. The 287 stock horsepower rating for our engine is correct.......all of it just doesn't make it back to the wheels.
Chris....
ALL rear wheel drive cars......no matter what horsepower the engine itself is making......whether it is 100 or 500 horsepower.....lose a certain percentage of that horsepower in what is called "drivetrain loss". No car has the same horsepower at the wheels that is being put out by the engine. The 287 stock horsepower rating for our engine is correct.......all of it just doesn't make it back to the wheels.
-Chris
02-06-2004, 01:35 PM
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I just took my AEM CAI off and put on the JWT popcharger because of the fact that it floods so ofen around here in New Orleans and I didnt trust it with the AEM filter being so close to the ground. Just adding that I love the popcharger and I would definately recommend it. It would really only be the cost equivalent of buying 2 K&N's. I think that just that sound it makes is worth the price.
02-06-2004, 02:15 PM
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sound
Originally posted by dave079
I think that just that sound it makes is worth the price.
I think that just that sound it makes is worth the price.
02-06-2004, 02:28 PM
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Chris......in answer to your question about measuring "real horsepower", that is why people get dynos done. If you dyno your car, you will get the horsepower that is being transferred to the wheels, as well as a torque print out.
02-06-2004, 02:52 PM
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"Butt" vs. "Real"
Originally posted by Wedge
Chris......in answer to your question about measuring "real horsepower", that is why people get dynos done. If you dyno your car, you will get the horsepower that is being transferred to the wheels, as well as a torque print out.
Chris......in answer to your question about measuring "real horsepower", that is why people get dynos done. If you dyno your car, you will get the horsepower that is being transferred to the wheels, as well as a torque print out.
I understand about going to get your car dyno'd (I just got mine done last weekend), I was just confused as to what Dave90TT said about a "Butt Dyno" and a "Real Dyno". I was unaware of different types of dyno's. I thought that there was just the one that spins tha wheels and measures power (which I assume is a "butt dyno").
02-06-2004, 02:52 PM
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Ive had my popcharger on for two weeks now and i love it. Its makes a nice whistle when stepping on the gas around 3K RPMs. At 4K and above, it howls and totally changes the sound of the car. The exhaust note is different now as well. Mine was $100/shipped with the heat shield.
02-06-2004, 02:53 PM
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Re: sound
Originally posted by ChrisMCagle
What is the difference in sound over the K&N drop-in? The only thing I hear with the K&N is a little "ssst" noise when I step on the gas while I'm sitting in the garage with the windows down. While driving, I don't hear a thing.
What is the difference in sound over the K&N drop-in? The only thing I hear with the K&N is a little "ssst" noise when I step on the gas while I'm sitting in the garage with the windows down. While driving, I don't hear a thing.
02-06-2004, 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by MyZ4U2C
Ive had my popcharger on for two weeks now and i love it. Its makes a nice whistle when stepping on the gas around 3K RPMs. At 4K and above, it howls and totally changes the sound of the car. The exhaust note is different now as well. Mine was $100/shipped with the heat shield.
Ive had my popcharger on for two weeks now and i love it. Its makes a nice whistle when stepping on the gas around 3K RPMs. At 4K and above, it howls and totally changes the sound of the car. The exhaust note is different now as well. Mine was $100/shipped with the heat shield.
hey just wondering if thats new or used? ,
and for the rest of you , if u dont have the popcharger and ur thinking about sound and ower for about $100 or even $300 , there is NOTHIN better then the popcharger , i havent heard one singel bad thing about it , usualy u'de hear something but i havent heard anything yet , i love mine , best mod and best investment i've done to me Z so far...lol
02-06-2004, 06:18 PM
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Re: "Butt" vs. "Real"
Originally posted by ChrisMCagle
Wedge,
I understand about going to get your car dyno'd (I just got mine done last weekend), I was just confused as to what Dave90TT said about a "Butt Dyno" and a "Real Dyno". I was unaware of different types of dyno's. I thought that there was just the one that spins tha wheels and measures power (which I assume is a "butt dyno").
Wedge,
I understand about going to get your car dyno'd (I just got mine done last weekend), I was just confused as to what Dave90TT said about a "Butt Dyno" and a "Real Dyno". I was unaware of different types of dyno's. I thought that there was just the one that spins tha wheels and measures power (which I assume is a "butt dyno").
A real dyno is one of the ones where you put your car on the wheels, and it applies and measures a resistive force. Dynojet is one popular style of this. When you got your car dyno'd, it was done on what I meant by a real dyno.
What I'm trying to say is that the difference between the drop in K&N filters and the popcharger is rather small, and while many people claim they can feel a difference, most likely they are the victims of wishful thinking, and they can't really feel much of a difference. However, there is a an actual difference between drop in and popchargers, on the order of about 5 HP. This is enough difference to be consistently measured on a real dyno, but not enough difference for the average person to feel on a 'butt dyno', despite claims to the contrary.
In the end, it is most likely a worthwhile mod. I know it was definitely a worthwhile mod on my Z32TT, and when I get a Z33, it will be one of the first things I do.
Dave 90TT
02-07-2004, 12:02 PM
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Re: Ok
Originally posted by ChrisMCagle
Ok, I buy that, but how then do you measure "real" horsepower if not on a butt dyno?
-Chris
Ok, I buy that, but how then do you measure "real" horsepower if not on a butt dyno?
-Chris
It is hard to know who is familiar with various terms used on these forums and who is not. I didn't know what the heck WOT was for a while there as an example.
Dave 90TT explained "Butt Dyno" pretty well. It simply means that the car feels like it has more power to the driver with no type of real measurement. It is like, "Is your car faster now that you put on the new exhaust?" and having the person answer "Well, it sure feels faster to me." That would be an example of a person using the "Butt (his butt) Dyno" to determine whether the car is making more power.