What's your rev matching sequence with the Z?
11-27-2011, 01:19 PM
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can anyone comment on that?
so you never used rev matching for slow speed city driving? I find that I "have" to rev match on every single down shift now. For instance, if I'm going 20-25mph in 3rd gear and approaching a stop sign, I USED to just slow down enough (around 3-5mph) and knock it in 2nd (without rev matching) to get going again. It felt fine. Now I'm trying to rev match that same exact situation - rev match before going into 2nd gear before approaching the stop sign. Is it really necessary?
so you never used rev matching for slow speed city driving? I find that I "have" to rev match on every single down shift now. For instance, if I'm going 20-25mph in 3rd gear and approaching a stop sign, I USED to just slow down enough (around 3-5mph) and knock it in 2nd (without rev matching) to get going again. It felt fine. Now I'm trying to rev match that same exact situation - rev match before going into 2nd gear before approaching the stop sign. Is it really necessary?
11-27-2011, 01:24 PM
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really, there 3 ways to rev match.
11-27-2011, 07:13 PM
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why double clutch? I see no reason for it driving a Z at this day and age on the street.
Standard and proper downshifting for me:
1.) Clutch in, downshift to desired gear simultaneously
2.) Blipping throttle to appropriate revs and releasing clutch simultaneously
When done properly, this method should provide a quick, smooth (it could also provide the feeling of power surge if revving high enough), and even satisfying feeling. This feeling should be intuitive if you've been driving stick for a while in my opinion.
I could definitely see heel and toe useful around the corners but other than that, I would consider other ways of downshifting less effective than the aforementioned techniques.
Standard and proper downshifting for me:
1.) Clutch in, downshift to desired gear simultaneously
2.) Blipping throttle to appropriate revs and releasing clutch simultaneously
When done properly, this method should provide a quick, smooth (it could also provide the feeling of power surge if revving high enough), and even satisfying feeling. This feeling should be intuitive if you've been driving stick for a while in my opinion.
I could definitely see heel and toe useful around the corners but other than that, I would consider other ways of downshifting less effective than the aforementioned techniques.
11-27-2011, 07:25 PM
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why double clutch? I see no reason for it driving a Z at this day and age on the street.
Standard and proper downshifting for me:
1.) Clutch in, downshift to desired gear simultaneously
2.) Blipping throttle to appropriate revs and releasing clutch simultaneously
When done properly, this method should provide a quick, smooth (it could also provide the feeling of power surge if revving high enough), and even satisfying feeling. This feeling should be intuitive if you've been driving stick for a while in my opinion.
I could definitely see heel and toe useful around the corners but other than that, I would consider other ways of downshifting less effective than the aforementioned techniques.
Standard and proper downshifting for me:
1.) Clutch in, downshift to desired gear simultaneously
2.) Blipping throttle to appropriate revs and releasing clutch simultaneously
When done properly, this method should provide a quick, smooth (it could also provide the feeling of power surge if revving high enough), and even satisfying feeling. This feeling should be intuitive if you've been driving stick for a while in my opinion.
I could definitely see heel and toe useful around the corners but other than that, I would consider other ways of downshifting less effective than the aforementioned techniques.
11-29-2011, 04:43 AM
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is it better to over rev or under rev? I know neither is ideal, I'm just having a hard time nailing it perfectly. Though I did get it down perfect twice (in 2 weeks haha). And do you guys rev match 3rd to 2nd when slowing down approaching a stop sign? When I get to 5mph or so I just pop it into 2nd and the car never lurches forward.
How many of you double clutch with the Z? I heard it's debatable with cars that have synchronized transmissions, but it is the ultimate way to be kind to your synchros too.
How many of you double clutch with the Z? I heard it's debatable with cars that have synchronized transmissions, but it is the ultimate way to be kind to your synchros too.
12-01-2011, 04:55 PM
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I found that double clutching was a good way to teach myself how to heel-toe. I had the double clutching down after a few hundred miles in my old 240sx. Proper heel-toe just came naturally from that. Now, I heel-toe every downshift whether I want to or not, it's just what my foot does.
Everything happens at the same time for me, clutch-shift-brake-blip, all one fluid movement.
Everything happens at the same time for me, clutch-shift-brake-blip, all one fluid movement.
12-01-2011, 09:24 PM
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I've been having more success as of lately. I realized when I rev match without constantly looking at the rpms trying to blip it perfectly, my rev matches are pretty good. However, when I'm constantly looking at the rpms it throws me off for some reason.
12-03-2011, 03:11 AM
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I blip the gas as im shifting, never fails. I been drivin stick since i got my lisence (I HATE autos)12 years ago so its an extreme force of habit, i do it not even realizing it.
12-03-2011, 11:58 PM
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is it better to over rev or under rev? I know neither is ideal, I'm just having a hard time nailing it perfectly. Though I did get it down perfect twice (in 2 weeks haha). And do you guys rev match 3rd to 2nd when slowing down approaching a stop sign? When I get to 5mph or so I just pop it into 2nd and the car never lurches forward.
How many of you double clutch with the Z? I heard it's debatable with cars that have synchronized transmissions, but it is the ultimate way to be kind to your synchros too.
How many of you double clutch with the Z? I heard it's debatable with cars that have synchronized transmissions, but it is the ultimate way to be kind to your synchros too.
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12-04-2011, 09:35 AM
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Does it matter #1 or #2? It's all the same thing once the clutch is in. When it becomes 2nd nature, you'll be doing it so fast that sometimes you'll do #1 and sometimes you'll do #2...
01-09-2012, 11:28 PM
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Rev matching is simple... I even find myself doing it in my moms 300zx and my dads little 4 cyl truck without thinking... its a habit and addicting if anything lol.. Say your in 3rd going around a turn or corner, put the clutch in, blip the throttle to where the rpms would be if you just down shifted normally, take your foot off the clutch quickly and your good... If you get it down solid then there will be no pull or jerk from engine braking and it will be smooth sailing from there. Takes practice just knowing where the rpms will be at what speed and such...
01-10-2012, 07:38 PM
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I'm fairly good with heel and toe when downshifting but switching to the 380RS pedal has made a night and day difference. Before the pedal was too far away and now it's in the perfect position. I had to actually adjust where my foot sits because the pedal sits so much closer. At higher corner entry speeds, it wasn't a problem to perfectly blip the throttle while maintaining steady braking force. However, at lower entry speeds, the stock gas pedal was too far away to really get the blip perfect as well as smooth braking. The 380RS pedal has the curve which sits perfectly under the heel so that I don't have to flip my right foot completely 90 degrees but just barely offset.
I don't think the sequence matters too much anymore, whatever feels more comfortable will result in more focus on steering and focusing on corner exit speed.
I don't think the sequence matters too much anymore, whatever feels more comfortable will result in more focus on steering and focusing on corner exit speed.
01-11-2012, 06:52 AM
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I can't heel toe with my big feet, so I more of 'left side of foot, right side of foot' it. I just roll my ankle to blip the throttle. When I first got the car, I locked the rear end a couple of times which was exciting (scary), but now I just blip the throttle while changing the gear, and always get it right on.
01-11-2012, 08:45 AM
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I got my Z about 7 months ago and i was a first time manual driver. My friend taught me the basics of how to drive stick and my dad taught me the rest. But i had a hard time with down shifting. At first i just put the clutch in, and downshift while the engine does all the work. Then i realized that can't be good for tranny so what i started to do was downshift and right before it was about to catch, give it some gas and then let it slow me down. does anyone have some advice on the proper way to downshift. Also i read up on bliping the throttle but im still a little confused about it.
