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Gary King 07-17-2006 08:23 AM

I'm interested in that too.


Originally Posted by shmately
We could also have our own run group at Just Drifts upcoming buttonwillow event. We will be running the east loop on august 13th. Buttonwillow is 150 miles from l.a. and I think 190 from san jose. It's far away, damn far away if anything breaks. But it is the closest and longest real road course that allows drifting.

Let me know if anyone is interested. Registration is not open yet.


nissansource 07-17-2006 08:33 AM

Im ready to drift
 
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Count me in I did this last week i hope they will work with some that have already experianced the drift101 and move to the next step. here are my pics from last week. Btw Taka is a great guy i enjoyed him mentoring me
Edit if your turbo stock 17s are not good even though i did well for others it will be a handfull of oil spiinning tires

anotheraznguy 07-17-2006 10:47 AM

ok looks like i will have to come and join the festivities.. =)

mich 07-17-2006 01:24 PM

if possible, please make this event for any day other than July29-Aug4.
Please. :)

mrtomcat 07-17-2006 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by nissansource
Count me in I did this last week i hope they will work with some that have already experianced the drift101 and move to the next step. here are my pics from last week. Btw Taka is a great guy i enjoyed him mentoring me
Edit if your turbo stock 17s are not good even though i did well for others it will be a handfull of oil spiinning tires

hey doug, where did you get the pictures? I want to see mine as well

mrtomcat 07-17-2006 02:46 PM

Found it....

http://frank4cars.fotki.com/other_au...s/drifting101/

I am claiming the award of the smokiest tires that day :)

http://images14.fotki.com/v336/photo...MG_0271-vi.jpg

chuquison 07-17-2006 02:57 PM

ill do it but my Z is BONE stock is that good or bad? oh yah about the tire thing how does that work, how many pairs? im new to all this please fill me in on what to bring and all!!
oh yeah if its a sunday im really down then PS after aug 7 please i dont want to miss this

formulaZ 07-17-2006 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by mrtomcat
Found it....

http://frank4cars.fotki.com/other_au...s/drifting101/

I am claiming the award of the smokiest tires that day :)

http://images14.fotki.com/v336/photo...MG_0271-vi.jpg

it'd be awsome if you took your car on the bank next time!

i like these pics:)
http://images18.fotki.com/v328/photo...MG_0158-vi.jpg
btw, this blue car has stock suspension:eek:

http://images1.fotki.com/v334/photos...MG_0665-vi.jpg

mraturbo 07-17-2006 05:32 PM

So sick...

Can't wait to get a great group of Z and Gs on the Drift Tip...

Getting dates and costs ASAP.

M
:)

Zilvia 07-17-2006 05:40 PM

you guys better bring back some good pics

daytona350z 07-17-2006 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by formulaZ
it'd be awsome if you took your car on the bank next time!

i like these pics:)
http://images18.fotki.com/v328/photo...MG_0158-vi.jpg
btw, this blue car has stock suspension:eek:

http://images1.fotki.com/v334/photos...MG_0665-vi.jpg


nice, i like the pics.

sheesh, i really do need suspension:o

mrtomcat 07-17-2006 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by chuquison
ill do it but my Z is BONE stock is that good or bad? oh yah about the tire thing how does that work, how many pairs? im new to all this please fill me in on what to bring and all!!
oh yeah if its a sunday im really down then PS after aug 7 please i dont want to miss this

stock is fine, you do need to have a LSD though.

In regards to tires, I brought one extra pair to drift and they are still able to do another round, but they were in top condition.

chuquison 07-17-2006 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by mrtomcat
stock is fine, you do need to have a LSD though.

In regards to tires, I brought one extra pair to drift and they are still able to do another round, but they were in top condition.

how much for the pair?
oh by the way i begg you MRATURBO make it on a sunday past aug13 man it would really help im not in town plus it will give me a chance to save! if not ill be there full support but with a camera!!!!! and ill make a even trade ill tape your car and give you a burn CD if anybody can show me how to use my new PC lol!!!!

mrtomcat 07-17-2006 07:50 PM

I used my old 17" tires since I just bought a new set of 18" for the rear.

you can get cheap ones on eBay, do some reading here on what and where to get

mraturbo 07-18-2006 03:52 AM

Finalizing Details with Naoki representing Drift Association LLC.

In addition, if this works well, we will plan more events with both Drift-Day and Just-Drift.

Back soon for Update...

M
:)

nissansource 07-18-2006 07:09 AM

lets get this ball rollin!? im ordering tires just to tear up on my spar 19s or 18s

mraturbo 07-18-2006 01:13 PM

Getting details today. Looking like Irwin-dale August 13, 2006.

Drift-Day

PLEASE BE PATIENT...Have to confirm.

Thanks

M
:)

Update on the Drift Day
These are My350z.com people who are interested in Drift Day so far
1.Mraturbo
2.Fricku
3.Wa2good
4.Gary King
5.Chebosto
6.350znv
7.Ihatethatbobbarker
8.mrtomcat
9.kam350z
10.mich
11.luidacris
12.zeer0
13.Eagle1??
14. Knight/Steve M?
15. NavyGolf?
16. NISSANSOURCE

And people from G35driver.com
1.AccordFreak
2.SaveFatKids
3.Jim5437
4.Givemeanr1
5.Grace
6.Klumzyee
7.Vimandresing22
8.Driftgt350
9. DaVeeD
10. RomanWarrior
11. MyNismoG35
12. malukalu

Add and keep it moving.

M

SinCity350Z 07-18-2006 01:15 PM

Nooooooo!!!!! Hopefully the date changes because I have a f**king wedding to go to that day.

EDIT: And changing it to the weekend after that does me no good either :D.

mraturbo 07-18-2006 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by 350ZNV
Nooooooo!!!!! Hopefully the date changes because I have a f**king wedding to go to that day.

EDIT: And changing it to the weekend after that does me no good either :D.

Will confirm ASAP.

M
:)

shmately 07-18-2006 01:47 PM

not aug 13
 
Please not aug. 13th, Thats the day Just drift will be ruinning the east loop at buttowillow!

I swear JD and DD set their events on the same day just to mess with each other. Half their events are on the same damn day! It messes with me because I am part of Just Drift but I still love going to the ddays(besides the fact that I hate clipping cones, thats called autocross or in this instance driftcross).

Please find another date,
I really want to make it there!

ihatethatbobbarker 07-18-2006 03:31 PM

ditto, im pretty set on buttonwillow.

636Racer 07-18-2006 04:12 PM

I'm envious. Our drifting events have been cancelled pending a new race track IF that ever happens.

ihatethatbobbarker 07-18-2006 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by 636Racer
I'm envious. Our drifting events have been cancelled pending a new race track IF that ever happens.

yeah, i heard about that, my heart goes out to you guys.

mraturbo 07-18-2006 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by 636Racer
I'm envious. Our drifting events have been cancelled pending a new race track IF that ever happens.

That sucks.

M
:)

03Z33 07-18-2006 07:46 PM

I might have to bring the Corolla to this :icon38:

Wholey Smokes 07-18-2006 08:27 PM

Man, I've been wanting to go drifting for a while now. I need to install my Nismo LSD and Brembos. I ordered Volks last month and am waiting for them to come in because I was under the impression that a full set of wheels was needed for Drift Day due to a lack of on-site tire mounting service. I guess if I just need tires, like you guys are saying, I better get that LSD installed by the 13th.

Wholey Smokes 07-18-2006 08:28 PM

Oh there's a drift related question I've been meaning to ask. I have an 06 with the adaptive power steering. I'm assuming this is going to be a big negative for drifting. Anyone know of a way to disable it?

636Racer 07-18-2006 08:55 PM

^^^
It's actually not that bad.

shmately 07-18-2006 09:56 PM

Wholey Smokes, I don't know too much about that adaptive setup.

But KEEP the power steering, especially with a car this heavy.

And depending on where we run there is a tire facility on site. Irrwindale is one of the only places that dosen't have one.

Willow springs and Buttonwillow have tire shops on site.

And you can always run to a local tire shop if you don't like getting ripped off.

And just one extra pair of wheels/tires should be good for a beginner. (2 more couldn't hurt)
If you can't get that lsd in, come out anyways. The viscous works just fine to learn with. Plus you won't be beating on that brand new lsd.

mrtomcat 07-18-2006 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by shmately
The viscous works just fine to learn with. Plus you won't be beating on that brand new lsd.

can you explain about the viscous? Taka mentioned that the stock LSD is a viscous type that doesn't work well in drifting...what's the difference between a stock LSD and a Nismo in regards to drifting?

shmately 07-19-2006 01:52 AM

I did some research on the nismo lsd and found nothing. If anyone can tell me what type of diff it is that would help. There are about a dozen different types.

The stock viscous works with a bunch of plates stacked up with viscous fluid surrounding them. When the viscous fluid gets to a certain temperature it changes viscosity. It gets thicker and sticks the plates together locking the rear wheels. This is why is dosen't work so well, it has to get hot before it locks. This causes the diff to not work as immediate at one would desire.
You'll get on the gas and have to wait for the fluid to heat up and then it will lock. But it does work pretty damn well, I used mine for at least a year before it broke. At least 20 events and canyon runs alomst every night. It takes more balls to drive with this diff, you think it's not gonna lock, but it will if you stay on the gas.

The Kaaz 1.5 lsd I can comment on because thats what I use now.
This is a clutch type lsd. It works like a clutch, the harder you get on the gas the more it locks. It's similar to the viscous in constuction, it's a bunch of plates stacked up with gear oil. You can control how much locking you want by how you stack the plates, but you have to disassemble it. This is a GREAT lsd. The car immediately responds to every little input of the throttle. I've heard they break often, but mines been ok.

All I found out about the nismo lsd was that is is tuned for city driving as well as motorsports. This tells me it's probably not as agressive as the kaaz lsd. And it's adjustable without disassembleing, thats a big plus. Honestly this is probably the best lsd for the daily driver/weekend racer. The kaaz unit locks a little too much for street driving, especially in the rain. The nismo is easily adjustable, so you can easily adjust your car for street and track driving. Everthing I've heard about the nismo lsd seems good, I'd just like to know what kind of lsd it is! My guess is it's somwhere in between the kinda locking viscous and the extreme locking kaaz.

When is comes down to it, an lsd is an lsd. Welded diffs don't bother me, in fact they work great untill they break. And open diffs work great, on dirt.
The viscous works fine, don't go breaking the bank thinking you need a diff to
drift. In fact, if you've got less than 30 or 40k on the car, keep that viscous in there and get some good use out of it. Then when you put in your new lsd your skills will be more than ready.

Wholey Smokes 07-19-2006 06:46 AM

The Nismo LSD is a clutch type LSD. My manuals say that it can be changed between 1.5 and 2 way and that "initial torque" can be changed from 50.6, 68.7, or 101 ft-lbs.

636Racer, have you drifted with the 06s power steering? That's great news if it isn't that bad. I know that at really high speeds my car feels like it is understeering really bad.

I'd never think of removing the system, though. I just installed the Nismo power steering cooler, in fact.

As to not installing my Nismo LSD, I bought a Base model (I knew I'd be modifying it) so I have an open diff. right now.

I was going to install the diff. myself but the cost of all the special tools I'd need is over $600 so I guess I'll try to make an appointment with a dealer this weekend.

mraturbo 07-19-2006 08:23 AM

The stock Viscous is fine to start. I Drifted my first session with the stock G35 LSD. Then I planted a NISMO. I do not like the loud noise of the NISMO so if any of you want to buy it cheap, it is yours.

Will get a Quaife after this weeks racing at California Speedway. The LSD helps to get the wheels spinning out of the gate, then it is purely skill, not car with Throttle control and THE FORCE...LOL

NOTE: Stock Zs and Gs are perfect for Drifting even on the Stock wheels and tires.

M
:)

Chebosto 07-19-2006 08:48 AM

Mike-

make sure with all these guys that are comin' to the track they have good helmets that DriftDay will sign off on-

also. with august 13- i might be iffy. i dunno if my engine will be done and broken in by then.. poo! :( but i'll come out for fun and i'll being my suction cup Video mount if i do- :)

mrtomcat 07-19-2006 10:20 AM

thanks for the info on the LSD, good write up

ihatethatbobbarker 07-19-2006 10:37 AM

im running my nismo on the 2nd lock setting(68.7% I guess) and I had it switched to 2 way. I didnt think it was that noisy though, if you want quiet, buy a cusco RS.

andrew,
The nismo is quite agressive though, and very noisy, 2nd only to the kaaz as far as noise. I havent tried out most LSDs so im a terrible person to compare bite.

636Racer 07-19-2006 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by shmately
Wholey Smokes, I don't know too much about that adaptive setup.

But KEEP the power steering, especially with a car this heavy.

And depending on where we run there is a tire facility on site. Irrwindale is one of the only places that dosen't have one.

Willow springs and Buttonwillow have tire shops on site.

And you can always run to a local tire shop if you don't like getting ripped off.

And just one extra pair of wheels/tires should be good for a beginner. (2 more couldn't hurt)
If you can't get that lsd in, come out anyways. The viscous works just fine to learn with. Plus you won't be beating on that brand new lsd.

^^^
werd.

keep your eye on the 240 guys selling FN01RC rims. 17x10 +12 and +25 fit..and new tires for those size rims are fairly cheap, and used tires are easier to find. you could use widths from 235 and up. stretching the tires arent a bad thing either.

shmately 07-19-2006 03:45 PM

AHHHH wholey smokes, not an open diff on a Z! Yeah your gonna want to put that nismo in there. Open diffs suck! They are good to learn with on the streets, because they're VERY hard to drift with. Then once you get a diff or a car with a diff your in a whole new world of steering with the throttle. And you'll have knowlege of the vehicle movements to try to break traction.


According to bobbarker the nismo is pretty agressive even on the 2nd setting. On the final setting the lsd should lock very well.

As far as noise, the kaaz is pretty loud if you need to change the fluid.

mraturbo 07-19-2006 05:30 PM

Noisy RaceCars are cool.

Yet I kinda like 800 WHP Daily Quiet...

M
:)

636Racer 07-19-2006 06:19 PM

Tomei y0. has anyone heard anything about the Tomei LSD?

nissansource 07-19-2006 06:38 PM

I personally hated the stock Diff on the car for me i felt it give out and was terrible for me when i got the car sideways it would hold then let loosse. Tottally felt the ****ty viscous in it. Id like to grab a nismo lsd for my spare diff. lets talk a price

Gators2001 07-19-2006 06:40 PM

Man this sounds like it going to rock!

ihatethatbobbarker 07-19-2006 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by 636Racer
Tomei y0. has anyone heard anything about the Tomei LSD?

if theyll deal on it, thats gonna be my next diff, if not, im going with OS Giken.

on other cars the tomei is supposed to be great. But that doesn't mean its good for our cars.

03Z33 07-19-2006 09:24 PM

Tomei and Nismo GT are the same, just no initial torque setting on the Tomei

VRT, You should reconsider the Quiafe if your planning on drifting regularly, it sucks for drift :( good for road race though :)

For the guy with open diff, you could always weld it if you're planning on upgrading to LSD in future but don't have time or budget now...;)

daytona350z 07-19-2006 09:26 PM

tomei lsd's are usually re-baged kaaz units with tomei's own touch to make the lsd even more agressive.

brandon-get the os giken...drool:)

mraturbo 07-19-2006 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by 03Z33
Tomei and Nismo GT are the same, just no initial torque setting on the Tomei

VRT, You should reconsider the Quiafe if your planning on drifting regularly, it sucks for drift :( good for road race though :)

For the guy with open diff, you could always weld it if you're planning on upgrading to LSD in future but don't have time or budget now...;)

Thanks...

The NISMO works...

Just NOISY...Crack
Crack

Crank...Clunk

clunk
clunk

M
:)

636Racer 07-19-2006 11:11 PM


Originally Posted by daytona350z
tomei lsd's are usually re-baged kaaz units with tomei's own touch to make the lsd even more agressive.

brandon-get the os giken...drool:)

super-lock? I know a few 240 drifters here with that. they recently had kaaz lsds. I never had the chance to ask them about it. I heard that it's supposedly really good...but compared to what?

ihatethatbobbarker 07-20-2006 01:14 AM

its SUPPOSED to be the best.

when I first diff shopped everyone at my mechanic told me to get the nismo now, and after ive gotten alot of use out of it upgrade to the OS Giken because its the best.

mraturbo 07-20-2006 07:52 AM

Z and G
DRIFT DAY AND EVENT UPDATE


Irwindale Aug. 27 (Sunday)


Also, 1 run group Aug. 13 (Sunday)
Buttonwillow with JUST DRIFT. THANKS Shmately

Exciting News.

CALSPEEDWAY Friday - July 21 for Roadracing Ferraris...

More details to come yet at least we have dates now. Pricing and sign-up details will be available this next week.

PEACE,

M
:)

SinCity350Z 07-20-2006 08:21 AM

Whoa Whoa Whoa!

So Sunday August 27th is the Z/G Drift Day at Irwindale correct?

There will also be a Z/G run group Aug. 13th at Buttonwillow with the JD event?

And whats this about Cal Speedway on the 12th? ROVAL or Infield? Who is putting it on?


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