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PhoenixINX Jan 26, 2005 02:47 PM

Doug @ Crawford's vs 2002 E46 M3 6SP
 
In our quest to hit our target of 300rwhp, we were curious to see how far we had come along.

Since a large majority tends to compare our car to an E46 M3, we figured we would take an honest look at each of our powerbands.

Our local dyno was kind enough to overlay our dyno vs. an `02 6sp for comparison purposes.

http://www.crawfordz.com/chris/Z-Rel...kE46M3-tmb.JPG

I think in knowing that this Z weighs in at a reasonable sub 3200lbs, as opposed to the M3s average of 3400lbs... Including that we now have a far more usable powerband. I know which car I would chose to run a road event. :D

... Did I forget to mention that the Z with this complete package would still be less expensive than a new M3?

Stock E36 M3s tend to have dreams that they can hang with stock Zs, now we'll go ahead and start letting the Stock E46s dream with them! German this... :icon17: :cool:

uplz4588 Jan 26, 2005 03:10 PM

wow!!

THX723 Jan 26, 2005 03:13 PM

That's one strong VQ!

JAMESZ Jan 26, 2005 03:28 PM

But as they say on Bimmerforums they drove home in a BMW. HAHAHA
Or the excuse they will take you in the twisties...


I need to get back in Middle Tennessee...good to see you NA guys making power. :D

hndumafia Jan 26, 2005 03:38 PM

wow that's very impressive. i need some crawford headers and a plenum now! (someone want to lend me some money?)

bhk1004 Jan 26, 2005 03:44 PM

im not 100% sure if an M3 can take a Z in twisties.... maybe completely stock... but even with a tire upgrade, I think a stock m3 mite not be able ot hang... but thats just my opinion... feel free to flame

VandyZ Jan 26, 2005 03:45 PM

Please note, Doug’s car has custom heads and cams. While plenum and headers will help make the M3 a better adversary, you wont see it disappear in your rearview like in Doug’s car. :D

BENJ-AMG Jan 26, 2005 03:54 PM

Man that's gotta feel good. Have you driven Dougs car, Adam?

JAMESZ Jan 26, 2005 03:55 PM


Originally posted by bhk1004
im not 100% sure if an M3 can take a Z in twisties.... maybe completely stock... but even with a tire upgrade, I think a stock m3 mite not be able ot hang... but thats just my opinion... feel free to flame
It was a joke...you have to go on Bimmerforums to understand it.

Whose M3 did you use for the comparison? Was it building buster boys?

PhoenixINX Jan 26, 2005 04:26 PM


Originally posted by BENJ-AMG
Man that's gotta feel good. Have you driven Dougs car, Adam?
We all have abused Dougs car... it's the whore of the group.

sponsorsthisway Jan 26, 2005 04:49 PM

Awesome numbers guys! This is the kit that will soon be available? How would it stand up to one of the TT's? Also, is there much more that could be done to further develop NA power after this project itself is completed?

nuttyprof Jan 26, 2005 06:20 PM

well, how modded can a m3 get? i thought it was pretty maxed out.

BENJ-AMG Jan 26, 2005 06:50 PM


Originally posted by PhoenixINX
We all have abused Dougs car... it's the whore of the group.
Mmmmm....I love whores.:D

Street Visionz, Inc. Jan 26, 2005 06:55 PM

as soon as this kit is available you have my $.

PhoenixINX Jan 26, 2005 07:25 PM


Originally posted by nuttyprof
well, how modded can a m3 get? i thought it was pretty maxed out.
With lots of $$$... a LOT more NA.

Guys, all respect to that motor... Too bad it costs so much!!!!

pimp1911 Jan 26, 2005 07:35 PM

Planning trip to Tenn. Nice numbers.

ZON Jan 26, 2005 07:35 PM

How will the custom heads part of it be handled. I'm assuming it will be a exchange for some ported heads with all the valve & spring, etc., upgrade goodies. But what has been put into these heads?

PhoenixINX Jan 26, 2005 08:31 PM


Originally posted by throbbing_Zon
How will the custom heads part of it be handled. I'm assuming it will be a exchange for some ported heads with all the valve & spring, etc., upgrade goodies. But what has been put into these heads?
You are correct in us "massaging" the heads... What's been done has not even been disclosed to myself. I think that info stays with Doug until the number is hit.

I do know however this is all on the stock valvetrain.

LOU Jan 26, 2005 08:56 PM

Hey Chris if you guys ever need a guineapig to see how the heads work with FI let me know.

Z BOY Jan 26, 2005 10:54 PM

Re: Doug @ Crawford's vs 2002 E46 M3 6SP
 

Originally posted by PhoenixINX
In our quest to hit our target of 300rwhp, we were curious to see how far we had come along.

Since a large majority tends to compare our car to an E46 M3, we figured we would take an honest look at each of our powerbands.

Our local dyno was kind enough to overlay our dyno vs. an `02 6sp for comparison purposes.

http://www.crawfordz.com/chris/Z-Rel...kE46M3-tmb.JPG

I think in knowing that this Z weighs in at a reasonable sub 3200lbs, as opposed to the M3s average of 3400lbs... Including that we now have a far more usable powerband. I know which car I would chose to run a road event. :D

... Did I forget to mention that the Z with this complete package would still be less expensive than a new M3?

Stock E36 M3s tend to have dreams that they can hang with stock Zs, now we'll go ahead and start letting the Stock E46s dream with them! German this... :icon17: :cool:

It blurs when i blow it up...could you post a better, larger pic of the dyno, please?:icon04: :D


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